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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Ravell - thanks for that link, it's a great explanation of what's going on, and it does conclude that there is no loss of sharpness during movements.

I see two big and valid complaints about the EX - skew from the rolling shutter, and the 4:2:0 colorspace. I consider both of these important considerations primarily for those doing heavy post or effects work. For things like green screen the color space issue can be worked around via tethered recording via SDI; however for motion tracking the skew cannot be avoided and therefore makes the EX a poor choice.

Scarlet can probably improve on the color space issue, but since red one has the rolling shutter it's likely Scarlet will as well.

Improved color space alone won't make Scarlet an EX killer. It's a 'pocket camera' - we can debate what that really means all day but it's certainly not something with a similar form factor to an EX. There will likely be a lot of situations where a very small form factor will be a much bigger issue - either for or against it - than it's compression format.

If you're not doing heavy effects work I think the color space issue is much smaller than most make it out to be - as is skew. For most naturalistic subjects I wonder why people even feel the need for an EX killer? It produces beautiful images, especially considering it's price range and size.

I'll be buying an EX, and I'll most likely be buying a Scarlet as well. It's clear to me from the speculation threads that a lot of people are somehow hoping that Scarlet will be an HVX form factor and price with all the features of RED, which would make it an EX competitor - but that's clearly not the case. Jim's already said it won't be a competitor to RED, and I have a feeling it won't really be a competitor to the EX either. It will likely be better in some aspects and not in others - and as a 'pocket camera' it will be better suited to some types of shoots (where the EX is too big) and not others (where the EX may be a better choice).
 
Divergent: I agree with pretty much everything you said..

The trick is: would I be better canning my RED1 reservation and buying an EX1 instead? (I don't expect you to answer that for me amigo :) )

... I am increasingly thinking that an EX1 (with it's obviously worse picture when compared to the RED 1), may actually be a more practical buy for low budget documentary film-making..

Now maybe that is something that the RED team might want to consider going forward.. But as you, and others on this thread have said: they have their niche, they have filled it beautifully, and maybe they don't care to compete in such an already saturated and ultra competitive market :construction:
 
Nice link Divergent.. thanks

I guess it's like you said though.. 4:2:0 colourspace, which may or may not be a limitation, depending on where I want to go in post.


Anyway.. good link.. point taken.. :-)
 
Can we speculate that Scarlet maight be a digital SLR? That would make waves in the professional photographer's market with a 4k(just under 10 megapixels) image at 4:4:4 with no upresing. The Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II shoots at 16 megapixels on a CMOS sensor with wireless transfer(cool), but I understand that it only shoots about 6-8 stops max. AND, I can't imagine that they're shooting without some compression... usually the blue channel.
 
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Can we speculate that Scarlet maight be a digital SLR? That would make waves in the professional photographer's market with a 4k(just under 10 megapixels) image at 4:4:4 with no upresing. The Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II shoots at 16 megapixels on a CMOS sensor with wireless transfer(cool), but I understand that it only shoots about 6-8 stops max. AND, I can't imagine that they're shooting without some compression... usually the blue channel.
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I think Jim has already stated that its a motion capture camera and not a still image camera.
 
J Clark said:
Can we speculate that Scarlet maight be a digital SLR? That would make waves in the professional photographer's market with a 4k(just under 10 megapixels) image at 4:4:4 with no upresing. The Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II shoots at 16 megapixels on a CMOS sensor with wireless transfer(cool), but I understand that it only shoots about 6-8 stops max. AND, I can't imagine that they're shooting without some compression... usually the blue channel.
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RAW's generally not compressed on DSLRs is it? And I don't think they're using upresing on most of them, unless you're talking about the bayer sampling - but that's the same thing RED does in order to get 3 color channels from a single sensor, isn't it? I just don't see how this would be any different/better than what's out there - unless you're talking about a DSLR that shoots full motion to redcode raw.... which could be interesting but isn't likely, would you lock the mirror up while filming? Seems problematic - and again I wouldn't in any way consider a DSLR form factor a pocket camera.
 
One thing is for sure. If RED play the cards right, and ramp up production and reduce the price of essentials, it can really put SONY and Panasonic out of business
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Not to be confrontational, but I don't think anyone's "going out of business". There's plenty of room for good competition. There's already more than a few 'healthy' manufacturers in the game. RED will find a strong, profitable place in the market, but I highly doubt one or two cameras is going to put another manufacturer out of business, no matter who they are. Each new camera merely sharpens the pencils of each competitor.

If RED does not get its act together soon, SONY and Panasonic with their enormous production and marketing might, may crush RED for good.
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RED does have its act together, in my opinion. RED is a smaller company, more market flexability, has great management, a proven entrepreneurial leader, and interactivity with customers (I don't think Sony or Panny or JVC have active company forums like this where the President or actual "product developers" interact with the public), which all bode well for the success of these cameras. I'm just saying.
 
Buy a Scarlet and get a free pair of matching Oakley sunglasses....j/k

I think Jim has the understanding of business to know when to fight for a company and when its time to close shop. And in case everyone wasn't looking Sony, as big as it is, hasn't been doing to great lately.

~Marque
 
Looking forward to seeing how Scarlet compares to my HVX. Hopefully it will be cheaper and I could use it for multi-cam events with the HVX.
 
am sure after NAB 2008 red gonna beat sony verry badly keep going on jimm we r really tired with the higher price of sony's baby cam's red gonna change history once again with scarlet 2k cinema cam sure abt that .... thanks alot jimm
.. arun
 
Bena said:
Looking forward to seeing how Scarlet compares to my HVX. Hopefully it will be cheaper and I could use it for multi-cam events with the HVX.
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There's no way Scarlet will be cheaper than an HVX. I suspect Scarlet will be quite different from the HVX in form and function.

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JohnG
 
John Godden said:
There's no way Scarlet will be cheaper than an HVX. I suspect Scarlet will be quite different from the HVX in form and function.

Regards
JohnG
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You dont know if scralet will be cheaper or more expensive than an HVX because you still have no idea what it actually is. I do agree in that if I had to guess, it will be different in form factor than an HVX. I cant fit an HVX in my pocket.
 
Jason Burkhimer said:
You dont know if scralet will be cheaper or more expensive than an HVX because you still have no idea what it actually is. I do agree in that if I had to guess, it will be different in form factor than an HVX. I cant fit an HVX in my pocket.
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I didn't miss the fact that this entire Scarlet forum is based on speculation.

It's all good
JohnG
 
John Godden said:
I didn't miss the fact that this entire Scarlet forum is based on speculation.

It's all good
JohnG
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You're right about the speculation thread, BUT, there are known facts in the sticky and hints about 2k, scratch support etc.
 
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Of course we will give Scarlet priority to reservation holders. We just aren't thinking about how to do that yet.

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Best thing could be to give priority to us that are being following the production process here on reduser.com

Or at least to give us the chance to order first...
 
Jim could do like Charlie and the Chocolate factory/Willi Wonker, sell millions of RED candy/chocolate bars, and those that have the “Gold Ticket” can have the chance to buy a camera before the RED ONE faithful.
Seroisuly you could do it for charity, RED girl scout cookies, every Scarlet wannabe will buy tons of cookies, and maybe twenty get lucky, and the proceeds go to charity.

Maybe a lottery for twenty Scarlet fan boys that have the right to be randomly thrown into the mix of the first two hundred orders standing in line with original RED ONE owners.

Sounds fair to me?

I think there is a principal here, in that those that could afford to buy a RED ONE have, the ones that would really like to own a RED one but can’t afford one have been hoping for a Scarlet. I think it makes sense to mix the waiting line up a bit so that folks with smaller budget can get a crack at Scarlet.

I don’t think that party faithful RED One owners will be pissed off by a random twenty Scarlet wannabees mixed into the line (especially as its for a charitable cause), given that a lot of Scarlets will have to go into production, and mabe not that many RED ONE users desperately want a scarlet other than S3D ers.

Works for me... (of course try picking a charity, but JIM should be good at that...?)

Cheers,
Eric
 
What a time machine. Wonderful how this thread jumped almost 2 years from post to post and Scarlet is nowhere to be found. Amazing isn't it?
 
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