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Power Distro MōVi to Epic?

Christopher Barrett

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As I'm gearing up for MōVi delivery, I'm trying to get as much of my system in line as possible. The Teradek Bolt came in last week and I'm in on the RRM Wireless FF group buy. One of the big things I'm thinking about is how will all of this get powered on the MōVi rig?

At the booth they were saying that their Li-Poly Batts would run an Epic and the Stabilizer for 45 minutes. That's cool, I don't have an issue getting a half dozen or so of those batteries. What about my add-on's though? I assume this is going to require having some custom cable made up.

Has anyone already started to sort any of this out yet?

Cheers,
CB
 
Be very careful powering the Epic with those Lipo packs...heard a couple of horror stories with boards frying. Those batts are very volatile, so just be careful. I don't remember if the Movi was wide enough to fit a side-handle, but I'd go that route to power the Scarlet/Epic if you can.

In terms of powering accessories, that's where you run into adding weight. Every accessory is different, and you don't want to throw a brick on there because that's going to kill ya on the weight. USB batteries are cheap, light weight, and there are a wide range of custom cables to choose from. A great solution I have found is these tekkeon battery packs. They cover 5V all the way up to 19v via a USB out to whatever source you need.

Link: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/618847-REG/Tekkeon_MP3450I_myPower_ALL_Plus_MP3450i.html
 
Per Vince Laforet, the batteries that come with the MoVI will run all of your accessories and your Epic with no hiccups. I plan on running everything off of the batteries that come with the MoVI.

Also, the side handle with the Redvolt will make your MoVI too heavy. I tested this with a stripped down Epic and a EF mount lens. Over 10 LBS with the side handle. I think the Redmote was born to go with the MoVI set up.

I'm number 37 in line for the MoVI btw... what number are you Christopher?
 
Order No. 1083. I was too drunk the night of the release to get my order in... Post NAB libations can be bad for the brain. I would love if they made some power options available... I mean they had to sort all that shit out for Vincent's shoot, yeah?
 
Christopher Barrett said:
Order No. 1083. I was too drunk the night of the release to get my order in... Post NAB libations can be bad for the brain. I would love if they made some power options available... I mean they had to sort all that shit out for Vincent's shoot, yeah?
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Yeah, but from what I can tell, Vincent shot on a Canon 1DC for almost every, if not every shot. At least, for the short.
 
I am order (100)7. Though I doubt there will be much in it since they got such a huge order. I also joined in on the Redrock deal. Echoing Carey's words above, if you look closely at the Epic run around footage with Tabb you can see they have specialised cables for each power point, as well as a super thin HDMI cable. You have to go with their battery solution which is a bespoke battery - not an off the shelf deal. It's absolutely stunning that such a small package can run the rig, camera and wireless accessories for 30-45 minutes. Have to balance the rig really well.

If I may hijack this thread slightly (and perhaps we can make a MoVi-Red thread) I would like to know how to best attach filters and what format of filters are best. On one of the early blog posts Vincent Laforet posted that it includes a mattebox of sorts. I would at least like a 2 stage circular one. Any ideas would be great.
 
I don't get it:
in this video the camera is pointing in all different directions, how is that better than just holding the camera in your hands and doing the same?
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
I don't get it:
in this video the camera is pointing in all different directions, how is that better than just holding the camera in your hands and doing the same?
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1975:

Jacek Zakowicz: in this film the camera is pointing in all different directions, how is that better than just holding the camera in your hands and doing the same?

Garrett Brown: ...
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
I don't get it:
in this video the camera is pointing in all different directions, how is that better than just holding the camera in your hands and doing the same?
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To illustrate:

http://vimeo.com/63193227

This is all single user mode, aka 'Majestic mode'. Now you can tilt in all axes so you can extrapolate what kind of aesthetic you're going get with that.
 
2013:
Jacek Zakowicz:
Steadicam is damping ALL lateral movements with the spring arm- this is not..
Brett Harrison: oh... ??????:embarassed:
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
I don't get it:
in this video the camera is pointing in all different directions, how is that better than just holding the camera in your hands and doing the same?
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That's the idea behind the "majestic mode". You point the rig where you want the camera to be, and the system gets you there in a smooth way. It just makes all your moves smoother. If you don't like that you can also give a remote to a second person who will handle the framing completely. Or you could just tell the system to keep the camera pointed in the same direction. Your choice.
 
It's interesting to see what the Majestic mode will become. I'd like to see the Movi keep up with the moves (a bit laggy ATM) or the actual moves become a little faster and see how the lag responds. I know that Majestic mode settings are user configured (via a laptop and bluetooth direct to the Movi)... so it'll be interesting to see how this develops.

I'd presume there'll be a lot of focus at Freefly on getting the Majestic mode as complex as possible before release... and the good thing is, as it's the software side, they will be able to update/react... as there'll be a lot of user feedback once these hit the field.
 
Sorry guys- from the engineering stand point- this system need at least one more axis, preferably two- to be even close to steadicam setup
 
the Magestic mode is just a mix kinda filter so the axis dont react in slow rotations, and that is not a new or usuable feature in the world of rc, but its indeed very limited specially with the tilt axis, in what moves you can achieeve.
The video shown above is mainly pointing in one direction and foolow the subject , and its even a lot of drift in horizon at 2,11 m.
As I said before its just a small gyrohead for rc aerial, with a couple of handles. The Custom Brushless motors seem to me REWIRED 60 $ rc brushless motors, and I bet the sensor board is an off the self board just tuned better.
So asking people to pay 15k for a getting a system that already exist in the market for the last 5 years more or less developing, and with a production cost of less than 500 $ isnt exactly correct.
I only agree that this system can do some good shots that steadicam cant do, but again with so many limits, steadicam can do many more moves than this system can and with combinations and endurance.
Jasek the physics of the spring arm on a steadicam, is replaced from the human arm, which up to a limit is also a very good absorbing device at certain loads, as well as gimbalised(your wrist), so there is no axis missing in terms or rotations, steadicam is a 3 axis device, with the flaw of an off center camera optical center for tilt and roll. You dont add the arm as an extra axis or the elbow movements can be considered as an extra axis. They are just there to help keeping vibrations and unwanted motion away from the camera. So depending on what you concider as an rotation axis you can be right or wrong.
 
Was just on a gig with Brainfarm shooting Olympic athlete profiles for NBC. Tab from Movi came out and we did some really great work with the rig. Shots like circling the athlete starting at foot level to raising the camera over their head were IMHO easier to get then with a steadicam. For the high speed tracking shots the follow cam shooter could concentrate on their run and the operator got great framing. For sure a different tool for different shots. Once you start to use it the possibilities of unique shots become very apparent. Shot on an Epic with Canon glass. Camera was powered by the rig for 2 full days with no issues.
 
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