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A. Bastaki

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1. What gear do you use..
2. and what would you use for your red?
3. And for what purpose/s? (ENG, Feature, Docs, Professional Sound Effects..you name it.)

im thinking of recording it on a mixer with a harddrive. I never really beleived in on camera audio recording.

I'll be using the audio gear for shooting feature films/ advertisements. shoot indoors.. outdoors. will be recording dialogues and ambience.

MIXER
one of these i might be getting;
they both are from sound devices

the 702T and the 442 master.

recorder
http://sounddevices.com/products/702t.htm
and the mixer
http://sounddevices.com/products/442master.htm

HEADPHONES
Noise Cancelling JVC Headphone
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/510315-REG/JVC_HA_NC250_HA_NC250_Stereo_Noise_Cancelling.html

MICROPHONES

Schoeps MK41's
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._CMC641STG_Colette_Microphone_Stereo_Set.html
OR
Sennheiser MKH-60 - Kit B&H
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/422109-REG/Sennheiser__Ultimate_Shotgun_Microphone_Kit.html
OR
Neumann KMR81IMT
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/210686-REG/Neumann_KMR_81_I_MT_KMR81IMT_Shotgun_Microphone.html

I still need to figure out a good ambience microphone.. Any suggestions?

APPZ
Adobe CS3... gotta love soundbooth baby... the way it layers out all the different voices for you to clean and heal. perfecta!
removing unwanted sounds have never been easier...
(go down and click-expand to view the audio cleanup and polishing features)
http://www.adobe.com/products/soundbooth/features/allfeatures/
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Hans von Sonntag said:
IMHO Schoeps is much nicer than Sennheiser...

Hans
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to be honest with you.. i dont know yet.. i cant really tell unless i see and hear footage shot with the sennheiser. and so far... ive used sennheiser for ENG and docs. they have this electronic tone to it.. you can know there's a mic.

if you watch movies... the sound feels real and natural. soft. I dunno how they do it and what do they use.
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Akube said:
to be honest with you.. i dont know yet.. i cant really tell unless i see and hear footage shot with the sennheiser. and so far... ive used sennheiser for ENG and docs. they have this electronic tone to it.. you can know there's a mic.

if you watch movies... the sound feels real and natural. soft. I dunno how they do it and what do they use.
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Hi Akube,

we are on the same track. I'm not a sound man but some time ago I found that microphones are something very special and something that fits in ones taste or not. A close friend of mine is a sound man and he broadend my horizon a lot. I find the classic Sennheiser MKH 416 sounding like a beer can. Much much exeggerated of course but you get it, totally overated and I've owned three of them (stupid me, many ENG people love them). Schoeps are much softer, warmer, closer to reality - and pricier. There are also some Neumann mics that sound really nice.

Since then, I always ask the soundman to use Schoeps or Neumann. It's their work but my film. No soundman ever complaint.

Good luck and don't try to safe money on this, better one great mic than 2 or three so, so...

Hans

PS: To go the no-tethered, seperated sound recording route is also clever IMHO.
 
Akube said:
to be honest with you.. i dont know yet.. i cant really tell unless i see and hear footage shot with the sennheiser. and so far... ive used sennheiser for ENG and docs. they have this electronic tone to it.. you can know there's a mic.

if you watch movies... the sound feels real and natural. soft. I dunno how they do it and what do they use.
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Akuba, the reason movie sounds are better than ENG is because:
a) they hired a good sound guy to collect sound on set
b) they hired a great post sound team (sound editor, re-recording mixer, etc)

Equipment advantage is nowhere near as important.

Why not just hire / team up with a sound guy? Good ones have most of this gear anyway. Even if you had the best gear on the planet, you couldn't operate it and the camera at the same time and get the most out of your equipment's potential.

That said... here are my recommendations in the true RedUser spirit of "hey, let's buy cool stuff - my gear is the only thing holding my genius back!" (which I am totally guilty of thinking too ;)...

headphones- screw noise cancelling - just get Sony MDR-7506. $100. It's not flat freq response at all, but it's loud and shows up problems nicely during recording. Once you have one, you'll start saying "hey, those are my headphones" a lot when you watch DVD making-ofs...

recorder: 744T or 702T.

shotgun microphones: no way on the ME66, dude. If I could manage a 416 even for my DV projects, you can manage something better for your Red. MKH series is much better, yes. Recommended: Schoeps, Neumann, Sennheiser, Sanken.

hypercardiods: Schoeps MK41s are the fave.

lavs: try to stay away from lavs if at all possible. They tend to lead to that ENG "sound like suck" sound you described above IMHO.

software: Soundbooth won't take you there. Personally I use Pro Tools LE. I hate the fact it has no surround, but it is well-designed for real world use otherwise.

monitor speakers: get a GOOD pair of speakers for monitoring your tracks. You want to hear problems when choosing takes, not only in final mix. I bought some used Genelecs pretty cheaply.

final mix: do a good final mix out of house if possible. If you have Pro Tools you can set everything up for them nicely. But if you are organized in your editing program you can do that too.

Bruce Allen
www.boaicinemea.com
 
Just to add a thought,

Schoeps and Neumann mics (don't know about AKG unfortunately) build great mics since a long time. An early 90ies Schoep or Neumann must be available used, even on ebay. I think it will be worth to check.

Apart from this, the recording device hardly influence the mood and feel of the recorded sound (yes, 24Bit is better than 16 bit...). Better to invest the money in great mics than in a great sound recording device. A Sennheiser MKH 416 and a Sounddevice 744T (great product) will record less pleasing sound than a decent Schoeps and some cheap sound recording device that needs a slate for sync.

Hans
 
Hans von Sonntag said:
Just to add a thought,

Schoeps and Neumann mics (don't know about AKG unfortunately) build great mics since a long time. An early 90ies Schoep or Neumann must be available used, even on ebay. I think it will be worth to check.

Apart from this, the recording device hardly influence the mood and feel of the recorded sound (yes, 24Bit is better than 16 bit...). Better to invest the money in great mics than in a great sound recording device. A Sennheiser MKH 416 and a Sounddevice 744T (great product) will record less pleasing sound than a decent Schoeps and some cheap sound recording device that needs a slate for sync.

Hans
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Hans, if you're talking about shotgun mics, Schoeps has only made its shotgun very recently, so there are NO schoeps shotguns from the 90s available...

Agreed MK41s are awesome. But they are sensitive mics - sometimes they get messed up and become susceptible to moisture, etc. So he should be careful when buying second hand.

Not disagreeing with you at all with regards to 416s (or for heavens' sake a ME66) not sounding as good as a Schoeps or Neumann.

To me 416es definitely sound a bit "commercial" / "electronic". Also, everyone tends to sound the same on them ;) This is sometimes good if you want something to cut through the mix of course - I know some people use 416es for VO work.

In South Africa some of us like 416es because they are not as susceptible to environmental conditions, also we have something of an inferiority complex regarding our stuff being "different" and not "Hollywood", so we kinda like that electronic sound ;) I know, I know, I need to grow up.

BTW, what do you think of the Schoeps CMIT vs the Neumanns (82 / 81?)?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Bruce Allen said:
..true RedUser spirit of "hey, let's buy cool stuff - my gear is the only thing holding my genius back!" (which I am totally guilty of thinking too ;)...
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ROFLMAO

Bruce Allen said:
headphones- Sony MDR-7506. $100.

recorder: 744T or 702T.

MKH (sennheiser) series is much better, yes. Recommended: Schoeps, Neumann, Sennheiser, Sanken.

hypercardiods: Schoeps MK41s are the fave.

Bruce Allen
www.boaicinemea.com
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found those very valuable. thanks a bunch buddy!
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current sound equipment
4073 Audio technica (AT) short shotgun
denecke phantom PS 1a power unit
tram 50 lav
3- AT U101 series wireless systems with AT 830 Lavs
AT 831 cardioid lav
AT boundary mic
VDB boom pole (extends to 18ft)
sony 7506 head phones
no mixer ....

headphone volume is very low on RED ??? very difficult to hear with camera in silent mode ( fans are at full when not recording) ...

i have a interview coming up on Feb 8 ... will probably record 1- 1 1/2 hr with several 1-2 min breaks ... will use RED drive

currently testing -recording audio to laptop using a m-Audio mobile-pre USB.
will run the Tram 50 lav & AT boundary mic to mobile pre ... might run a line out of mobile pre over to RED ??? or i may just for the heck use AT 4073 short shot gun mic ( with denecke phantom power unit) to RED ( total 3 mic's) ..
will use either sound forge or Vegas software for recording ... will use a film slate for sync ...

build 14 could change everything if it has 2 channels of audio ...
then i would record Lav & boundary mic to RED & forget laptop ..
 
-Sound Devices SD302 Mixer with acc
-Sound Devices MM1 preamp/headphone jack for boom op
-Tascam HD-P2 CF recorder

-Sennheiser MKH60 with blimp and windjammer
-Sennheiser MKH50 with shockmount and foam
-AKG CK93 with shockmount
-Oktava

-2x Lectrosonics 205/200 pair.
-Sanken cos11 lav
-Countryman b6 lav

-Tons of custom starquad musilux/neutrik XLR cables
-Petrol P2 Eargonizer with rain cover and comfy harness
-Carbon fiber 12' pole and 15' aluminum pole
-Sony 7506 headphones
 
Bruce Allen said:
Hans, if you're talking about shotgun mics, Schoeps has only made its shotgun very recently, so there are NO schoeps shotguns from the 90s available...
Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
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Hi Bruce,

just had a short chat with my sound man and he says that the Schoeps MKE41 are around since 10-15 years... He says there is also a russian brand called Oktava. They build mics similar to the Schoeps MKE41. Unfortunately they are wider on the capsule, so they don't fit with the common wind jammers.

Hans
 
Hans von Sonntag said:
Hi Bruce,

just had a short chat with my sound man and he says that the Schoeps MKE41 are around since 10-15 years... He says there is also a russian brand called Oktava. They build mics similar to the Schoeps MKE41. Unfortunately they are wider on the capsule, so they don't fit with the common wind jammers.

Hans
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MKE41 is hypercardioid. Not the same reach as even a short shotgun. Amazing mic though, agreed! Added bonus of the MK41 is you can add a figure-8 capsule and do MS recording for SFX, etc if you feel like it. Sounds very natural. Schoeps's CMIT (their first shotgun) was only released in 2005 or 2006 though?

I do agree though that people rely on shotguns too much and that in many cases, a well-positioned hypercardioid would give a better and more natural sound.

I have played with an Oktava once - agree it is awesome value for money.

Bruce Allen
www.boainema.com
 
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