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[N_Villers]

lacie

lacie

Well - is there a way to get 4:4:4 10- bit color out to the lacie electron22blueIII ? - if there is I was not aware of this - I was thinking more along the lines of a 24" sony broadcast monitor - any suggestions for a good crt ??

thnx all

 

[Richard Lackey]

Well the short answer is, this is a consumer monitor. It is a bad idea to "GRADE" on anything less than a broadcast monitor.

Well, it's advertised under thier "pro-plasma" range.

http://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/plasmas.asp

Here is the page on applications of this range.

http://www.panasonic.com/business/plasma/app_media.asp

"Our optional HD SDI board ensures plug-and-play integration between the plasma and existing broadcast-grade equipment, permitting long cable runs up to 100 meters, and assuring that a high-quality signal can be displayed in uncompressed, 10-bit HD quality."

That's 10-bit uncompressed full raster 1920 x 1080 HD, so I don't think your consumer excuse holds water. If it's calibrated correctly, it doesn't seem like such a bad budget option to me.

 

[Greg M]

"Our optional HD SDI board ensures plug-and-play integration between the plasma and existing broadcast-grade equipment, permitting long cable runs up to 100 meters, and assuring that a high-quality signal can be displayed in uncompressed, 10-bit HD quality."

That's 10-bit uncompressed full raster 1920 x 1080 HD, so I don't think your consumer excuse holds water. If it's calibrated correctly, it doesn't seem like such a bad budget option to me.

Well if you are happy with it thats all that important. I can assure you this is not appropriate for "grading", but if its within your budget and you are happy with the results thats all that matters.

 

[Richard Lackey]

Well if you are happy with it thats all that important. I can assure you this is not appropriate for "grading", but if its within your budget and you are happy with the results thats all that matters.

Well, that may be true I suppose. I guess we are back to the Cinemage and it's bretheren. It's probably also true that not everyone has what it takes to be a good colourist either, I know they are really thin on the ground here in South Africa.

 

[Dan Hudgins]

Dithering 8 bit to see about 10 bits

Dithering 8 bit to see about 10 bits

Well - is there a way to get 4:4:4 10- bit color out to the lacie electron22blueIII ? - if there is I was not aware of this - I was thinking more along the lines of a 24" sony broadcast monitor - any suggestions for a good crt ??

thnx all

Since at 2048x1536 or even 1920x1440 the crt cannot resolve single pixels, if you dither the 10+ bit data to the 8 bit output, 4 pixel groups give you about 10 bit output in your eye.

Having more that 10bits of data is of most use in being able to strech the curve for each primary, if you start with 8 bits you get gaps in the histogram, if you start with 12bits and end up with 10,9, or 8 it is very hard to tell the difference. You may get more tone banding at 8 bits, but if you dither 10+ bits into 8 bits and stay uncompressed and do not resize, 8 bits of dithered in the final output for 2048x1536 frames should be almost if not totaly indistinguishable, especially when the uncompressed frames are running at 24fps, except for a very little more grain noise.

For grading seeing 10 bit over 8 bit would not make a practical difference, the old Bell and Howell light house was only 6 bits, and +/-2.5CC was standard for color timing, so even if you can see a color steep, which you cannot probably at 8 bits in the monitor and video card, the errors coming down the line would dwarf the small difference between viewing 8bit dithered or not and 10 bit.

Since the CRT monitor is analog you could use a 10bit HD to SVGA converter box (?), or 10bit video card (?), to view 10bits.

The phosphors on CRT monitors vary quite a bit, so the maximum Red, Green, or Blue color you can get will not be the same as on other monitors like OLED, but if you view on a monitor with more extream colors then you do not see what it will look like on the average TV. This brings up the issue of the TVs that have internal processing for Wide-Gambit,

http://www.hardforum.com/archive/index.php/t-1153458.html

When TVs have different peak waves and purity for the primaries you can calibrate a small center region of the color gambit with a 3D LUT, but the edges will not be obtainable on some monitors and since there is not standard for wide-gambit TVs that goes back to the grading room, you cannot predict what the exact colors will look like to the end viewer.