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Post-Production Storage Systems in 2018

@Bob

thank you Bob.
The TS-1685 is a interesting and affordable option, no question there but i am afraid it wouldn`t offer us a big step forward in terms of capacity.
Thats why i am thinking about the REXP-1000 Pro as an expansion case but it only has 10 slots. So lets go with the foloowing example:

TS-1685: 12x12TB in RAID6
REXP-1000 Pro: 10x12TB in RAID6


Can i create one logical volume out of both RAID6 Arrays that appear to our editor as one bitg single volume? Is there any downside to that configuration in terms of performance and would you recommend from your experience to create
two raid volumes instead of one or whats the best practice here.

I am also considering the QNAP TVS-EC2480U-SAS-RP R2 because it offers 24bays, 10Gbe and plenty of scaling headroom. Do you have any experience with that particular QNAP model too?


Thank you Bob.
 
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I've been using a Synology 3512xs with 10GB network and 12x6TB drives in a raid 6 config for years. The only thing i would say is do not buy normal drives. Get the ones rated for NAS. I started off with normal 3TB drives 4 or 5 years ago and they seem fine, but they *will* fail and when they start they will all go - the raid 6 came in handy big time then. It's the constant vibration in a NAS enclosure that is the issue and good NAS drives are protected against that. Since moving, touch wood, it's be 100%

10GB should be mandatory everywhere, i still don't understand why it's just not base config.

Now i've mainly been connected via Windows and i need to get a 10GB for my MBP but speeds are great from windows. The only thing i would wonder about is 2 PCs reading 2 separate streams at the same time... Not sure whether that would work?

cheers
Paul
 
Hi Dennis S -
I have no idea of what you currently own. You have never contacted me privately.
The TS-1685 can have four additional REXP-1000 Pro expanders. Today, 12 TB and 14 TB drives are available, so a single 10 bay with 14 TB Seagate Ironwolf drives is 140 TB and 112 TB after RAID 6. That would be $7000 in drives, so the QNAP is "free" compared to the price of the drives. To create a single logical volume, you create a THICK VOLUME, which is the default of the QNAP. I never do this. I believe that failure and security are much more important than
the convenience of a single massive volume, so I always create static volumes - so you would have two logical drives - DataVol1, and REXP#1/DataVol2 with 2 chassis. You can have a total of four REXP-1000 Pro on the TS-1685. You must purchase a QNAP SAS-12G2E (under $400) and stick this into the TS-1685, and get a 12G to 6G cable which is not included with the REXP-1000 Pro (it's about $75 on Amazon from QNAP).

The TVS-EC2480U is great. I installed these at places like Disney Broadcast. But they are not $2800 bucks. It's about $7900 for an empty TVS-EC2480U. You can have EIGHT REXP-1610U expanders on the TVS-EC2480U, for a massive amount of storage. I personally install TVS-EC1680U most of the time for larger installations. I also add the QNAP LAN-10G2T-X550 card, as the "free" 10G ports are SFP+ only on the TVS-ECxx80U series, and I don't like Twinax or Fiber - I like nice cheap Cat 6 and Cat 6A cables to go to my Netgear 10G switches. Works great. LACP - no problem.

And with that said - QNAP is about to release (any day now) - the dramatically cheaper TS-1677XU-RP which is the same box, but with the AMD Ryzen processor, and it's $3000 cheaper, and has the same expandability.
SO - how does that one work - I have no idea - I have not tried it yet. I have a client in London with one on order from www.span.com and as soon as it comes in I will let you know how well it works.

You should contact me directly Dennis.

Bob Zelin
 
for paul Curtis -
if you do choose a Synology today, this would be my suggestion
https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/RS18017xs+

this model has the built in 10Gbase-T ports, and is fully expandable like the QNAP.
But of course, it's half the size of the QNAP TVS-EC2480U.

Both Synology and QNAP make great products at a very low cost (if you choose the right model).
It's no different than when I see guys say "hey I have this Mac Mini, and no external drives, and I can't seem
to edit 8K raw on it without stuttering playback". I see on other forums guys trying to do 4K video with a single
SATA drive, and cant figure out why they are having such problems.

(how come my Go Pro can't produce pictures like a RED Monstro 8K).

I've heard it all !
Bob Zelin
 
One thing to keep an eye on if you are considering rackmount units from either QNAP or Synology is the noise. Rackmounts can be great but will be substantially louder than say the 1685 QNAP or the Syn DS3617. So be prepared for that.
 
Hi Dennis S -
I have no idea of what you currently own. You have never contacted me privately.
The TS-1685 can have four additional REXP-1000 Pro expanders. Today, 12 TB and 14 TB drives are available, so a single 10 bay with 14 TB Seagate Ironwolf drives is 140 TB and 112 TB after RAID 6. That would be $7000 in drives, so the QNAP is "free" compared to the price of the drives. To create a single logical volume, you create a THICK VOLUME, which is the default of the QNAP. I never do this. I believe that failure and security are much more important than
the convenience of a single massive volume, so I always create static volumes - so you would have two logical drives - DataVol1, and REXP#1/DataVol2 with 2 chassis. You can have a total of four REXP-1000 Pro on the TS-1685. You must purchase a QNAP SAS-12G2E (under $400) and stick this into the TS-1685, and get a 12G to 6G cable which is not included with the REXP-1000 Pro (it's about $75 on Amazon from QNAP).

The TVS-EC2480U is great. I installed these at places like Disney Broadcast. But they are not $2800 bucks. It's about $7900 for an empty TVS-EC2480U. You can have EIGHT REXP-1610U expanders on the TVS-EC2480U, for a massive amount of storage. I personally install TVS-EC1680U most of the time for larger installations. I also add the QNAP LAN-10G2T-X550 card, as the "free" 10G ports are SFP+ only on the TVS-ECxx80U series, and I don't like Twinax or Fiber - I like nice cheap Cat 6 and Cat 6A cables to go to my Netgear 10G switches. Works great. LACP - no problem.

And with that said - QNAP is about to release (any day now) - the dramatically cheaper TS-1677XU-RP which is the same box, but with the AMD Ryzen processor, and it's $3000 cheaper, and has the same expandability.
SO - how does that one work - I have no idea - I have not tried it yet. I have a client in London with one on order from www.span.com and as soon as it comes in I will let you know how well it works.

You should contact me directly Dennis.

Bob Zelin
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Thank you for all the information you provided so far, i really appreciate it.
I lean towards the TVS-EC2480U at the moment, cause we will definitely go for a fibre based connection to our workstations.
Reason is mainly that we already have fc cables routed to our workstations because our current raid system connects via fibre (8Gb/s) as well
Aside from that 10Gb via SFP+ means lower latency and lower power consumption overall.

The TS-1677XU-RP sounds very interesting too, i ll keep an eye on that.

Thank you very much again.
 
Hello again Bob, One thing I forgot to ask was about how loud the QNAP TS-1685 is. My main server is a SuperMicro and that bad boy HAS to be in a server closet it's really bloody loud. Nearline is a Synology 1816+ which is very quiet as are the direct attached SAS raids in the edit room that the QNAP TS-1685 would be replacing. Is the QNAP TS-1685 quiet enough that it won't be an issue to have in an edit room?

Thanks in advance,

Stephen
 
Stephen Lovett said:
Hello again Bob, One thing I forgot to ask was about how loud the QNAP TS-1685 is. My main server is a SuperMicro and that bad boy HAS to be in a server closet it's really bloody loud. Nearline is a Synology 1816+ which is very quiet as are the direct attached SAS raids in the edit room that the QNAP TS-1685 would be replacing. Is the QNAP TS-1685 quiet enough that it won't be an issue to have in an edit room?

Thanks in advance,

Stephen
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TS-1685 Sound Level (dB) Sound pressure (LpAm) (bystander position): 22.5 dB (with 12 x Seagate ST2000VN000 hard drive and 4 x SSD installed).
 
The TS-1685 is "quiet" but not silent. I recently built 2 of these (one as main system, one as backup) on my desk, and it was 3 feet away from me. I could make phone calls without issue while I was doing this, but it is not "silent".

The rack mount models from QNAP make more noise (as do the Synology) but not as loud as AVID Nexis, Facilis Terrablock, EditShare, Studio Network Solutions, etc.

Bob Zelin
 
this is off topic (and Clark Dunbar's post is off topic) - but I just wanted to say that Clark Dunbar's RED footage from MammothHD is the BEST LOOKING footage I have ever seen. There are guys that know what they are doing, and there
are guys that don't know what they are doing, and I can't think of anyone more qualified than Clark Dunbar.

and with that said - good luck unloading those Apple FC adaptor !!!

Bob Zelin
 
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