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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

POLL: Scarlet Frame Overlay

POLL: Scarlet Frame Overlay

  • Yes

    Votes: 114 95.0%

  • No

    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • Total voters
    120
Tom, I would think this would be a nice feature on all the cameras. I think people are looking at the bigger cameras mainly for the resolution and sensor size/lens options, not the bells and whistles. But I do like bells and whistles.
 
I also requested this some thread ago, i'm surprised it was never included in a Red build. To me it's a no-brainer for Epic and Scarlet and even Red if that's possible. Not only do I want a frame from a previous take, i want custom graphics (so I can overlay a sketch of a composite or somethign). Also good for matte paintings, etc.
 
Shawn, I also remember requesting this during development of the RedOne. I think this feature would present a powerful toolset which would further merge RED's integration into the pre and post stages of a movie. Accelerometers and lens data and all that stuff are great. But I'm one of those people who believes in "try get it right in-camera first", and the overlay feature would greatly help this.
 
Would also love this feature.

And maybe go one step further: Make it possible to save the histogram to the memory, and overlay it (maybe as an outline) over the current histogram. Could be a powerful tool when trying to match shots in small crew situations.
 
It would be a great feature, and I would love to see it included. But if it's not, you can solve it fairly easily with a thin piece of plexiglass from Home Depot, etc. You can place it on your monitor (velcro, etc), even the 2.8" outline the essential matching points with a wet erase marker, and then replace it when you need to match. You can then erase and reuse the plexi.

This is primarily a monitoring solution, and if the Scarlet can send this along the monitoring path, excellent. But it doesn't have to stop you from having this function, and cheaply, other ways.

Tim
 
Yes please ! I've spoken to a bunch of my friends/peers about this function....they all love the idea and feel it would be extremely useful on set.

It's a very smart and fast way to enable the DP/Camera Op to instantly check:

-Blocking
-Eye Lines
-Continuity
-Matching Frames
-Lighting
-Special Effects


Also, it'd be great to embed the cameras metadata and settings into the frame grab itself and then offload to a usb thumb-drive. This way you could access these files at a later date on a different camera... perhaps the camera could even be programmed to re-read the metadata / settings from the screen grab and instantly set it to the camera.
 
I would add my voice to those in favour of a feature like this across the lineup.

I would say, however, only being able to overlay other shots on the same card would be very limiting, and I hope that this is not how it is implemented. To be most useful, the feature would allow JPEGs to be overlaid, which are either stored on a CF or SD card, drive, etc, or uploaded via wifi or ethernet to a small internal buffer (which would only have to be ~30mB to store a good whack of JPEGS).
 
Ace said:
I think this feature would present a powerful toolset which would further merge RED's integration into the pre and post stages of a movie. Accelerometers and lens data and all that stuff are great. But I'm one of those people who believes in "try get it right in-camera first", and the overlay feature would greatly help this.
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Well said, Ace.

Tim - I like your style. Good tips.
 
even being able to load in storyboard artwork would be cool.

(and I say all these things realizing how unreal these requests would be, to make to one of the larger camera companies and how cool it is that we have the joy of being able to voice our opinions to RED) :party:
 
Joseph Hutson said:
even being able to load in storyboard artwork would be cool.

(and I say all these things realizing how unreal these requests would be, to make to one of the larger camera companies and how cool it is that we have the joy of being able to voice our opinions to RED) :party:
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I dont think this is unreasonable maybe for now but soon it wont be... Look how much they get into your phone the camera will get there and Red will most likely be the ones to take it

in the mean time :beer:
 
I don't think Joseph meant it was an unreasonable request from a technological standpoint. They already have this feature standard on the Epics, and mostly I don't think it's too complicated of a solution. He meant to suggest that no other company cares to listen to requests such as these. We like RED's business strategy because its great for us and great for them. Who would have ever thought that simply not being deceitful could be so successful... hmm ;)
 
Yep! I have been banging on about this for a few years! I remember writing a post in the 'reasonable requests' thread...because I think it is reasonable ;)

I can understand wanting to keep certain features absent from the Scarlet for EPIC's sake, plus I'm sure on a larger scale EPIC will see more effects work - eventhough personally I think for a lot of effects work the 2/3" will be preferable. Obviously with 3K for 2K delivery that gives you some 'play' to reframe, but only on two axis.

The amazing thing about the Scarlet is for the first time I don't have to 'make do' with any other aspect...which has been the case for many years.

Even for simple things such as perfect extended dissolves which such a little thing is perfect for. There are so many situations where i have wished for this feature.

Please make it happen !!!!!!!!
 
Charles Angus said:
I would add my voice to those in favour of a feature like this across the lineup.

I would say, however, only being able to overlay other shots on the same card would be very limiting, and I hope that this is not how it is implemented. To be most useful, the feature would allow JPEGs to be overlaid, which are either stored on a CF or SD card, drive, etc, or uploaded via wifi or ethernet to a small internal buffer (which would only have to be ~30mB to store a good whack of JPEGS).
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Yes. Previous scene overlay is cool - but the magic would be to overlay images created outside the camera. So ... JPEG or TIFF - whatever is easier and-or possible for the camera to process - this would be VERY useful.
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
Yes. Previous scene overlay is cool - but the magic would be to overlay images created outside the camera. So ... JPEG or TIFF - whatever is easier and-or possible for the camera to process - this would be VERY useful.
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In an nutshell this is what I WOULD REALLY REALLY LIKE. As long as the pics were resolved correctly beforehand it would really be a beautifully little tool. In my work would make a huge difference.
 
Tim Hole said:
In an nutshell this is what I WOULD REALLY REALLY LIKE. As long as the pics were resolved correctly beforehand it would really be a beautifully little tool. In my work would make a huge difference.
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I'll even take a basic implementation at first even if the .jpegs arent at 100% quality.

I wonder if there is anything else I can do personally to make this feature request heard loud and clear...it's very important.
 
Previous scene overlay would be great. But I doubt it'll be possible on scarlet because it would require dual debayering simultaneously. I doubt the Scarlet Chip can handle double data rates. The actual compositing of the two layers would be relatively light but you need two layers to play back.

A good middle ground if it's a playback issue would be custom overlays loaded from a gray scale TIFF. This is something I've been asking for since I think DVXUser's RED page. Just upload a 4k TIFF and then choose a color and use the TIFF as an alpha channel. Then you could quickly load up a shot in Photoshop. Trace out the important frame references and stick it on a CF Card (or now with Wifi). This would be great for matching horizon and perspective lines etc.
 
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