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Please Include A Flip Module!!!!

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Ameer Azari

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It may have been mentioned before but for the 35mm adapterers out there, we really would benefit from a flip module on the LCD screen, so see an upright image!
 
The question is, are there any 35mm adapters that will work with a 3k camera? In order for these adapters to work with HD they have to be made with very high quality ground glass. However with the resolution of 2k or 3k, the grain on the glass may be too visible for these adapters to provide an good results. You can see the same type of results I am talking about if you use a cheaply made or very early SD 35mm adapter with an HD camera. We may have to go back to the drawing board on this one.
 
Go to You Tube and search "HV20 on steroids" video. That is the adapter I am currently testing. It uses Mamiya medium format lenses. The ground glass is 2 1/4 by 1 5/8 inches. I am testing it with my HVX 200 but I plan to use it with the Scarlet. It projects a much bigger image to the groundglass. I'll see how it goes with the 3K output. On the video it is hooked up to an HV20.
 
Amen

Amen

This just seems basic, I hope it comes with it and I hope the 3K doesn't detect grain on my lenses, unless I like the look...

I'd hate to have to buy all of this all over again.



Ameer Ally said:
It may have been mentioned before but for the 35mm adapterers out there, we really would benefit from a flip module on the LCD screen, so see an upright image!
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Other than 3K, 2K, if the Scarlett shoots 1080p and 720p, would it be safer to make the film in 1080p if you know for sure that you intended to use a 35mm adapter like the Redrock Micro.

Is it better to go with a lower res format like 1080p (as opposed to 3K) on Scarlett in order not to have problems later with "grain" because you were using a 35mm adapter like the M2.

Am I making sense? That was probably poorly phrased.

I'm an HVX200 and M2 owner and thrilled about Scarlett. I know for sure I would be upgrading to Scarlett, but the grain issue does concern me. Would it make my M2 Redrock unusable if I wanted to shoot at 3K or would I have to compromise resolution wise?
 
You'll get good DOF with the Scarlett 2/3 sensor.
But if you want an adapter, doesn't the moving parts prevent the camera from focusing on the grain? I mean, even if the camera is 3K, wouldn't the moving screen make it impossible to detect it? Except in higher framerates then 24fps...
 
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Other than 3K, 2K, if the Scarlett shoots 1080p and 720p, would it be safer to make the film in 1080p if you know for sure that you intended to use a 35mm adapter like the Redrock Micro.

Is it better to go with a lower res format like 1080p (as opposed to 3K) on Scarlett in order not to have problems later with "grain" because you were using a 35mm adapter like the M2.

Am I making sense? That was probably poorly phrased.

I'm an HVX200 and M2 owner and thrilled about Scarlett. I know for sure I would be upgrading to Scarlett, but the grain issue does concern me. Would it make my M2 Redrock unusable if I wanted to shoot at 3K or would I have to compromise resolution wise?
 
i have high hopes that the new letus ultimate will work the best with the scarlet. if any adapter is going to be able to do it, the new letus will have the highest chance. custom made ground glass made from the best parts of 10 different pieces (or so i hear) 4,500 dollars, but blows all the top level adapters out of the water. yeh people by think it's pricey, but if you can shoot at 3k, minimal grain, and have amazing DOF, i think it's worth it, it's still less then 10k, which is less then some stand alone camera bodies.
 
xmephestox said:
i have high hopes that the new letus ultimate will work the best with the scarlet. if any adapter is going to be able to do it, the new letus will have the highest chance. custom made ground glass made from the best parts of 10 different pieces (or so i hear) 4,500 dollars, but blows all the top level adapters out of the water. yeh people by think it's pricey, but if you can shoot at 3k, minimal grain, and have amazing DOF, i think it's worth it, it's still less then 10k, which is less then some stand alone camera bodies.
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Welcome to the forum.
 
mralmostpopular said:
The question is, are there any 35mm adapters that will work with a 3k camera? In order for these adapters to work with HD they have to be made with very high quality ground glass. However with the resolution of 2k or 3k, the grain on the glass may be too visible for these adapters to provide an good results. You can see the same type of results I am talking about if you use a cheaply made or very early SD 35mm adapter with an HD camera. We may have to go back to the drawing board on this one.
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Once again, welcome to the forum. :-)
 
Yeah, I think it would be a great idea to have a flip function that not only flips the LCD image, but can process the final image flipped, too. It would be easy for the RED team to implement for all of us who refuse to give up on 35mm adapters.
 
kyle.presley said:
It would be easy for the RED team to implement for all of us who refuse to give up on 35mm adapters.
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All modern 35mm adapters have flip modules in hardware, which solves all the problems. Letus Extreme, SG Pro's flip module, CineVate's flip module, and Redrock's Micro X.

Flipping in post, while tedious and annoying and irritating in a video camera, really isn't much of an issue at all with a Red. The Red workflow requires extensive post-processing anyway, so a simple rotate function in post would be no real hindrance.

It would be *very* kind of the Red team to include a 180-degree rotation function when reading the sensor or at the chip level before outputting to the monitor, so that the image could be rotated both on display and recording. But it's nowhere near as mandatory as it used to be in the days of the prevalent upside-down adapters.
 
So it is possible to do that flip in the cameras’ software then. Both monitor and recording. Right?
 
Barry Green said:
All modern 35mm adapters have flip modules in hardware, which solves all the problems.
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Yes, but they are all add ons, with the exception being Letus. They lose light, they are heavy and make the camera look clunky. Not to mention the added expense. If RED could do a 180 on the image, it would be so much better and far more efficient than having to use an extra piece of glass or mirror assembly.
 
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