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PL Cine Glass for Stills Photography?

Tom Lowe

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So, with Epic or Scarlet FF35, will I be able to shoot stills with a lens like the 18mm Master Prime 1.3? Right now there really is not any still lens that fast, that wide.

If so, it's sort of a niche setup, I realize, but an interesting side benefit of the whole DSMC concept.
 
Remember the Master Prime will only cover an S35 or DX size sensor. It's the equivalent of a 28mm in full frame 35mm. For low light work your best bet would be a full frame sensor and a 28mm f1.4 Nikkor or 24mm F1.4 Canon L II.
 
Evin Grant said:
Remember the Master Prime will only cover an S35 or DX size sensor. It's the equivalent of a 28mm in full frame 35mm. For low light work your best bet would be a full frame sensor and a 28mm f1.4 Nikkor or 24mm F1.4 Canon L II.
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Oh yeah, I see what you are saying. Good point. *slaps head* Duh. :blush:

Nothing to see here folks, just move along. :)
 
I have the EF 24 f/1.4L.

How much is that LEICA 21 f/1.4? And can it be fitted to a Canon EOS body? :)
 
Tom said:
I have the EF 24 f/1.4L.

How much is that LEICA 21 f/1.4? And can it be fitted to a Canon EOS body? :)
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It's for the M series so no the FFD is too short, but if you can swing the $6K price tag you can probably afford an M8 too.
 
Tom said:
Oh yeah, I see what you are saying. Good point. *slaps head* Duh. :blush:

Nothing to see here folks, just move along. :)
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No, you have a point there!

Firstly, when you have lens wide open, you want to accurately adjust focus at night. Well, how do you dial in right focus on Canon 24mm f/1.4? Using MP you simply set the focus and it is spot on.

Secondly, Master Prime is 1/2 stop (50%) faster at f/1.2 (T1.3) then the fastest wide angle FF35 lens.

Thirdly, MP will cover bit more than S35 frame and it is razor sharp edge to edge, corner to corner wide open and will outperform any still glass out there by miles. I would also go with 14mm instead of 18mm. It gives you well over 90° horizontal angle, where as 24mm on FF is only 74°.

...oh, wait! I think have one
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Pawel Achtel said:
Thirdly, MP will cover bit more than S35 frame and it is razor sharp edge to edge, corner to corner wide open and will outperform any still glass out there by miles. I would also go with 14mm instead of 18mm. It gives you well over 90° horizontal angle, where as 24mm on FF is only 74°.

...oh, wait! I think have one
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I want to see here an example of "razor sharp edge to edge, corner to corner wide open" 14mm MP T1.3.

Just four crops from the corners at 4K.
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
I want to see here an example of "razor sharp edge to edge, corner to corner wide open" 14mm MP T1.3.

Just four crops from the corners at 4K.
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Sanjin, you still haven't tanken excursion to a lens projection facility? :biggrin:

Seriously, grab some of your favourite lenses and make appointment with Arri in Vienna. You will be able to see lens performance and compare much better than on any grabs. Trust me, it is worth the bus ticket.
 
Pawel Achtel said:
Sanjin, you still haven't tanken excursion to a lens projection facility? :biggrin:

Seriously, grab some of your favourite lenses and make appointment with Arri in Vienna. You will be able to see lens performance and compare much better than on any grabs. Trust me, it is worth the bus ticket.
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Hi Pawel,

If Sanjin saw some of his stills lenses @ 1.4 compared to a master prime he might start crying.

Stephen
 
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ps

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guys guys guys..

you've been evil towards sj :love:

this community would be a different place without his posts.. a sad place actually.. a poor landscape too.. stephen.. imagine your home w/out jim murdoch..

a few of his posts can be funny.. he's funny!

most of them are full of knowledge about he's used to post.. a far far better knowledgeable poster about cinema (and man) than jim murdoch we must say..

sj has a clue which is lost in many of you.. research.. this guy does research.. okay.. we all should admit.. sj included.. sometimes his findings go straight to the opposite he would like to show..

anyway.. granted his toys.. he should have a lot more than for a bus ticket.. afaik he's a successful shooter..

btw.. a lot of us are w/ him on this fight.. there's not easy to beat him w/ better arguments.. fair ones
 
I second filmmaker. Did you check it Sanjin? No more signature. Respect.
 
Filmmaker's gang and Simon Smith,

thanks for your support.

Pawel Achtel and Stephen Williams,

there is no a big need right now to go in Arri rental and get one MP

just because of the test that have to be shown at the forum.

But for that case I would like to quote another example that exists in a real film.

It's about Le Scaphandre et le papillon or in English "The Driving Bell as the Butterfly"

by Julian Schnabel and shot by Janusz Kaminski, ASC (Won 2 Oscars for cinematography).

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From "American Cinematographer", January 2008.

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Shot by Arri/Zeiss Superspeed lens.

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From "American Cinematographer", January 2008.

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Shot by Lens Baby 2.0.

So if still photo glass works for Janusz Kaminski, ASC it should also work for any other cinematographer.
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
there is no a big need right now to go in Arri rental and get one MP
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Hi,

You don't need to rent a lens, just go to Arri Rental & put one up on the projector, you would learn a great deal. The only reason not to go is you might prove yourself wrong.

Stephen
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

You don't need to rent a lens, just go to Arri Rental & put one up on the projector, you would learn a great deal. The only reason not to go is you might prove yourself wrong.

Stephen
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Hi Stephen,

I don't need to proof anything.

Because I didn't say that still glass is sharper then MPs.

Increasing the sharpness that you can get with digital acquisition

you can loose a magic that has "film grain" to the audience.

To much sharpness can make your actors and actresses to "suffer" on a big screen.

That can somehow to "kill" your movie.

Something that is perfect doesn't mean that is always good especially in a film "aesthetic".

I saw it last time when I was in "Quantum of Solace" big theater screen projection.

Daniel Craig and Judy Dench both look "awfully" out-washed and old.

Only Olga Kurylenko as a young get a bit better just because of her younger skin.

All that thanks to the Arri/Zeiss Master Primes sharp lenses :) .
 
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