Pimp up your RED with Uncle Scrooge

[Eddie]

Good one myktyl...

Since 3K (good for 4/3 finishing) is now an option and birger is offering a fourthirds mount some very cheap and very lightweight lenses are appearing on the horizon with very small front sizes and prices... 4/3s

the 4/3s leicas and the Olympus 14-35mm and 35-100mm f/2.0 (!) seems very interesting... and saves you alot of time in the gym.

Some people argue that the new 4/3s leicas doesn´t measure up... I´ll let you be the judge, but for my purposes it looks satisfactory. LINK

 

[Eddie]

Thank you for the suggestions Laguun, I have updated the threadstarter accordingly...

 

[Gunleik Groven]

edit


wrong response to wrong thread...

 

[Petr Dvorak]

I think than you can built own very good basic PC with quad CPu and 4GB ram for about $ 1200,- (without soft and OS)

 

[Robert P. Hogue]

The Manfrotto 526 head is good for up to 35lbs, which is probably adequate for most configurations.

This thread is intended for all the broke-ass indies who wants to cut all corners in the (untill recently) rental-based economy of 35mm motion picture acquisition...
I´ll add all the cheap suggestions and corrections you have.
And don´t get anal around the brands (Apart from RED Digital... off course)

Here is what I´ll get from RED (Paid with pleasure and a big thank you)
RedOne Body, Basic Production pack, LCD + Cable, PowerPack, 2 Red Drives, CF-Module
Subtotal 25.000$

From here on it´s all about being cheap, and off course wait untill everything has been tested.

Mount: Birger/canon

Lenses:
Tokina: 11-16mm f/2.8 , 900$
Sigma: 18-50mm f/2.8 An alternative would be the Canon EF-S 17-55mmf/2.8 IS. I am especially keen on the image stabilisation, because it gives you an improved performance at 1/25 sec shutter and mights save you some $$$$ on lighting.
Sigma: 50-150mm f/2.8 Alternative: Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 IS
Sigma: 30mm f/1.4
Sigma: 50mm f/1.4

ALTERNATIVE:

Since 3K (good for 4/3 finishing) is now an option and birger is offering a fourthirds mount some very cheap and very lightweight lenses are appearing on the horizon with small front sizes and prices... 4/3s

the 4/3s leicas i.e 25mm 1.4 and the Olympus 14-35mm and 35-100mm f/2.0 (!) seems very interesting... and also saves you alot $$$ in the gym.

Some people argue that the new 4/3s leicas doesn´t measure up... I´ll let you be the judge, but for my purposes it looks satisfactory. LINK

Vari NDs

PC: HP Blackbird 002 2400$
Alternative:
Intel Q6600 Quadcore ~180€ (Q9300 once available)
4 GB RAM DDR2-667 ~60€
I965 basing Board ~60-70€ (integrated G-Ethernet, 2 G-Ethernet make sense, on board graphic for pure number crunching also)
case with >400W Power ~40-60€
500 GB Disk ~70€
these components are the sweet spot of the market today.
If you intend to use Redcine, a
GF 8800GT card with 512MB at 150-200€ makes sense. (hat tip: Laguun)


Software: ???

Tripod: ??? . For light setups (still lenses) the manfrotto 526 fluid head, should be fully functional, and might be the best solution. Also The Dynatran seems like a worthwhile option, cheap as hell anyway... (Eugene will be getting some first hand experience with it soon)
(Candidates: Arrow 55, Daiwa 15, Dynatran AT-9905H, Manfrotto 526, O´connor 50 )

CF- Cards: ??? (rumours about problems with third party cards)

Mics: ???

Extra RAM: ???

Exstra HDs: ???

EXT soundrecorder: ???

 

[Eddie]

Thats great news Borzoi... I think the manfrotto might be a winner.

 

[Phil McCarty]

Scrooge MAC:

Last december I built my very first Hackintosh, which is basically a way to install Tiger (or Leopard) on PC hardware.

A quadcore (Intel q6600) 2.6ghz, 2.4ghz, 4gigs of ram, 2 x 500gig HD, GEForce 7800GT.

This cost me a little over $900. FCP works. Logic Audio. All the Adobe stuff. It's nearly perfect. I -just- ran an xBench (with things running). Without doing the disk tests, my machine comes in a 208. The average Mac Pro clocks 156. I'm happy.

The OS install has one minor glitch (it doesn't sleep the way I'd like, and when I reboot, i have to unplug and re-plug the keyboard), but I simply didn't want to spend $3000 at Apple in order to not-re-plug. My laziness has bounds.

Here's a link to my WishList, but it's 4 months old. I'm pretty sure there are people building 8 cores, and running Leopard, so I would check the forums (Link also to follow).



http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=6795732
http://forum.insanelymac.com/

p.s. Even though you can download the images from places like pirate bay, I suggest you keep your karma intact and go ahead and buy leopard from Apple. It's a great operating system and totally worth the $130 they're asking for it.

 

[Eddie]

Thats a great idea Gville TV. I have added it to the thread starter. Now all we need is some kind of Linux-option, then everybody can have it their way.
What kind of HDs did you choose?

 

[Phil McCarty]

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM, $109.

I haven't tried editing any RED footage yet, but HD from an HVX is effortless. I'm sure they are fast enough.

Thats a great idea Gville TV. I have added it to the thread starter. Now all we need is some kind of Linux-option, then everybody can have it their way.
What kind of HDs did you choose?

 

[Florian Stadler]

...and along came the 10lb 18-85 Red Zoom and a 2000$ savings suddenly turned into a 3000$ waste of money. If you buy a good solid head it might last you 20 years.

 

[Jason Ing]

what about canon's 24-70L? it'll replace several of those lenses you have on your list and it's an L lens. or maybe list scrooge prime lens and zoom lens options

 

[Jason Ing]

that hack mac stuff is really interesting. do you know if shake performs on it 100%?

 

[albert rudnicki]

I am really sorry if I hack the forum, but I am really curios about setting a second station as a OS X on the PC.
What should I get to build a good working system
Thanks for help
Albert

 

[Eddie]

Yeah. It's unreasonable.

You get what you pay for with tripods. No shortcuts.

jb

What amazes me is that people are *demanding* that someone manufacture a cheap tripod that still performs like a 10K unit.

The camera is the cheapest part of this whole equation. Isn't that revolutionary enough ?

jb

...and along came the 10lb 18-85 Red Zoom and a 2000$ savings suddenly turned into a 3000$ waste of money. If you buy a good solid head it might last you 20 years.

Don´t ruin all the fun boys. Off course you can cut corners, and I guess you would be a fool not to.But again, to each his own.
Whats your pleasure... 10k tripod, 6k FF and a 3k matte box or a second RED?
To my broke-ass cine-fetish is just a new kind of pornsurfing.

 

[Eddie]

After reading this post

I am more confident that a manfrotto 526 (max load 35.3 lbs) can deliver acceptable results with still lenses. The posted video is recorded with a cartoni focus (max load 22lbs) AND an angeniuex 20-120mm, red drive, rods, cage, etc

 

[Shawn Booth]

After reading this post

I am more confident that a manfrotto 526 (max load 35.3 lbs) can deliver acceptable results with still lenses. The posted video is recorded with a cartoni focus (max load 22lbs) AND an angeniuex 20-120mm, red drive, rods, cage, etc

But did you read this part of the post?

Those of you already squirming at the idea of the Cartoni, rightfully so. I've tried to make the best of it, but let this be a lesson to the very real need for a capable tripod when using the RED. No matter how I try to cradle the setup, I just can't keep it truly steady.

 

[Eddie]

Scrooge MIC??? I am leaning towards the NTG-2 300$ but other suggestions are welcome, since RED has an emphasis on capturing raw audio data, with very little adjustments on the fly, the choice of microphone is crucial so if anyone is an audio expert please chime in...

 

[Steve Sherrick]

Eddie,
The NTG-2 is okay. But I highly recommend this link.

http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/right_mic_brockett.html

 

[Brandon Fraley]

i have an NTG 2 and quite like it. excellent mic for the price. its true, more money will get you a better mic.

 

[Eddie]

Steve - I want one of those Schoeps!...

but... I think might take a Sanken, a one of michael jolys modded oktavas PE (hyper,omni and card) for interiour interviews and then a set of coresounds binaurals, a microtrack version II to go with a coresound 4mic instead ... this seems more like an uncle scrooge sound-kit.