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“Ready for takeoff” from New-Zealand magazine “ONFILM” (May 2007)

In making the WWI-set short that has just screened at NAB, you obviously took the opportunity to put the HD 4K RED camera through its paces – what’s your verdict at this stage of its development?

That literally came out of nowhere. I’d been curious about the RED 4K camera for a while, and had pre-ordered five of them, just in case it turned out to be all that was promised. I figured five is the minimum number you’d need for a feature, including a second unit. I had a look at some early tests in LA a while ago and they looked great, but their prototype cameras had never been out of the lab.

I liked what they were doing – making a digital camera of the utmost quality, and making it affordable for indie filmmakers. It also looks like film – it has a very attractive quality to the image – none of the “digital” look I’ve seen with some other HD cameras.
I gave them an open invitation that if they ever wanted to field test the camera in a “real world” situation. I’d be happy to help. I was also keen to put the film through a full professional post-production pipeline, just to ensure we could use the data all the way through to release.

Of course, two weeks before NAB, Jim Jannard – the founder of RED – calls and says, “Can we come down and shoot something for NAB”! I asked him what exactly. And he said that we could do anything we wanted. With so little time, I immediately thought “Milford … Queenstown .. Jet Boats”, but then I thought, “Stuff it – let’s make a real movie.”

The First World War is something of a hobby for me, and we participate in a few NZ airshows, where we fly WW1 aircraft, and have uniforms, tanks and artillery for the “ground theatre” aspect of the airshows. The RED jet, with two prototype cameras on board, was in the air and heading our way and we had 48 hours to figure something out. I decided to grab all this WW1 gear and make a 10 minute war movie. Caro Cunningham went into overdrive and pulled a great crew out of thin air. Dan Hennah had 48 hours to create a battlefield with trenches, etc, I had 48 hours to write a little script, and we suddenly found ourselves shooting – for only two days. We then had to edit, do sound design, push the film through Park Road Post for colour timing, digital finishing at 4K and a sound mix. We had about five days to do that before the finished result was hand carried to NAB for screening.

I should say I have no financial involvement with RED, and received no payment. I’m sure other companies are developing similar products – in a hurry! But I will say the image quality was excellent. And these were prototype cameras. The real thing will have several stops more latitude, variable frame rates and shutter angles which we didn’t have available to us. If you shoot at 4K, but want a “film look”, then you finish at 2K and add some grain. It’s easy. It looks like film. However, if you finish and screen at 4K. the result is like shooting in 65mm, like the old epics used to do. It’s pretty exciting, and will have a major impact on indie filming – but we could see no reason why you couldn’t use these cameras for any type of movie. I’m seriously considering using RED for The Lovely Bones.

The interesting by-product was the speed at which we shot. I operated one camera, and Neill
Blomkamp the other. We did aerial dog fights with choppermounts, and a pretty big battle scene. Over the two days, we probably shot upwards of 100 set ups – a speed that would have been impossible with film. Our crew, many whom were veterans of the grueling 300-plus day LOTR shoot, had big smiles on their faces at the end of the two days. We all shook hands and said, “Why aren’t we making more films like this?” That was the biggest thing I came away with – the desire to get back to that type of fun low budget filmmaking. If I get some RED cameras, that’s one of the things I’ll be using them for, I’m sure.

Does this mean making, say, a sequel to Bad Taste during your weekends – as you’ve threatened in the past – is that much more likely then?

Whatever they run out to be, the RED shoot has really fired me up to make some smaller, quicker films.
 
Very Inspirational! Thanks for posting the article. It just goes to show you whats possible when people put their mind to something and get creative.

Can't wait for the coming years of Red Movies... it's gonna be great.
 
I just second that!

EDIT -- After a glance, it's quite promising especially still coming from who's coming. And on such video-style shooting convenience without compromising the film-like outcome.
 
WOW, congrats Jim, I can't think of a better endorsement than that.

If Peter LOTR Jackson thinks RED makes for a faster on set work flow than film, and that finishing at 4K is equivalent to 65mm then who are we mere mortals to argue?
 
Jim, I sure everyone here will agree that that the excitement level boils over on the board whenever you start a new thread.
Let's see... mid month is just around the corner, more excitement ahead I'm sure

RED Dawn.:w00t:
 
That is what I've been waiting to hear ! gimme gimme !
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"If you shoot at 4K, but want a “film look”, then you finish at 2K and add some grain. It’s easy. It looks like film. However, if you finish and screen at 4K. the result is like shooting in 65mm, like the old epics used to do. "

This is why I say may film rest in peace. I still give respect to those who shoot film, however, I'm just grateful that RED exists.
 
just woke up in the uk to this article. Nice way to start the day. :love:
 
A great read, thanks for sharing that Jim, I'm a bit miffed that a minimum of 5 is required for a feature though hehe! :)
 
A great read, thanks for sharing that Jim, I'm a bit miffed that a minimum of 5 is required for a feature though hehe! :)

If you know-how you could do the best feature ever shooting with just one RED camera.
 
If you know-how you could do the best feature ever shooting with just one RED camera.

On a large scale feature involving one time shots, you'd definitely want 4 or so cameras.

Those 4 cameras would be key for large scale battle sequences, stunts, explosions.......etc.

Also, It's pretty much common practice for a production to adopt an A/B camera shooting sysytem.

A second unit is also common practice in order to keep the production on time or to pick up slates, landscapes, inserts. All of these situations require multiple cameras. Think A/B cameras for the first unit, and an A/possible B for the second unit as well.

Persoanlly, I only feel comfortable shooting with Cinematographers/Operators with whom I've worked with before or had the chance to see their work.

Mny producers and or directors will request a B camera and 2nd unit DP whether you agree with the choice or not. So sometimes you just havee to bite the bullet and hope for the best.
 
On a large scale feature involving one time shots, you'd definitely want 4 or so cameras.

Those 4 cameras would be key for large scale battle sequences, stunts, explosions.......etc.

Also, It's pretty much common practice for a production to adopt an A/B camera shooting sysytem.

A second unit is also common practice in order to keep the production on time or to pick up slates, landscapes, inserts. All of these situations require multiple cameras. Think A/B cameras for the first unit, and an A/possible B for the second unit as well.

Persoanlly, I only feel comfortable shooting with Cinematographers/Operators with whom I've worked with before or had the chance to see their work.

Mny producers and or directors will request a B camera and 2nd unit DP whether you agree with the choice or not. So sometimes you just havee to bite the bullet and hope for the best.

I was more reffering to a drama than an action movie. Drama is always cheaper to produce than action movie.
 
Alexander, You make a good point. However you could get by with one camera and rent more cameras as needed. Another exciting possibility is useing RED's upcomming pocket camera as a B roll camera, that is to say if it matches up well.
 
"The real thing will have several stops more lattitude"

Can this be true? The prototypes were 11.3 stops, so we'd be lookin at more like 13 stops and over.

I wouldnt get too excited until I heard it from Red personally.

Great kudos for Red though.
 
"The real thing will have several stops more lattitude"

Can this be true? The prototypes were 11.3 stops, so we'd be lookin at more like 13 stops and over.

I wouldnt get too excited until I heard it from Red personally.

Great kudos for Red though.

Each stop more than 11.3 stops would be great.
 
Great read indeed.
I would love to know how much that 10 minutes cost.

About multi camera shots, most DPs hate that because it complicates the lighting. Unless it's a big complex one time type of shot, one camera is enough.
 
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