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People WAKE UP

I'm an Indie Film maker not a DP, this is what I want:

A lens that let's me get good DOF

Rich colors

And Audio

Audio is the biggest thing that (I think) is missing from this camera for me.

the frame rates are great, 3K, marvelous, the ports look good, I can live with 2 CF cards.

JUST GIVE ME SOUND!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hey bhtdmc,

Hey Ameer,

I second that. A better fixed lens will do more good for the indie crowd then a interchangeable lens anyday.
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The above post got worded wrong on my part.

What I meant by a better fixed glass is if they wanna put a pro carl zeiss lens, instead of lets say a Leica, which I don't particualrly like, then that's fine by me, cause I can justify the cost. But but by making scarlet an interchangeable lens, I can't justify the extra cost it would add to the price, cause most indie film makers won't or can't afford to use pro glass.
 
manymoosh said:
What I meant by a better fixed glass is if they wanna put a pro carl zeiss lens, instead of lets say a Leica, which I don't particualrly like, then that's fine by me
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I think it's safe to assume it's going to have a fixed RED lens.
Little chance of seeing 'zeiss' stamped on the side of the Scarlet.
 
If its a fixed Red lens, then I'll be a VERY happy man.

With the price this camera is being given for, it's a sweet deal.

Hope it stays in the same price range at the time of release.
 
My goodness, and this is the first day after the facts. Where did all these people come from. With requests and attitudes? Where were you yesterday, the day before? Get over it guys. Go and learn some filmmaking for the next year or take the time off. The Scarlet lens is going to be glued to the body, end of story. If it suits you fine, if it doesn’t take a hike and go and buy a camera to your liking or your needs. This camera is going to be under $3000.00 and extremely useful to the people that learn how to get beautiful images out of it, something that is not very easy for everybody, especially when they think they know it all and all of a sudden become “experts”. That is the problem with these forums. That because you see your name on the screen you are suddenly a STAR, and know it all.
This business is about creativity and the only way to demonstrate that creativity is thru your work not your mouth; you have to thank people like Jim Jannard who is trying to bring creative tools to you at an affordable price. If you are truly a genius in this business then you should have no problem on getting the dough to afford the Red One or maybe the Epic when it comes out. If you can’t do that just shut up and stop requesting what you can’t get out of Scarlet. Plenty of people are going to benefit from this camera, the more you whine and complain the most likely you are not one of the capable ones to do it.
 
I agree with John, what they have given us is amazing for under $3000, in fact, it's almost like a charity to indie film makers. You want 35mm - Letus

AND THEY HAVE AUDIO!!!! (apparently) YAY!!!!!!!!!!!

3K - awesome
1-120 fps - awesome
8x Zoom Lens - ehhhh, I'm cool with that
CF Cards - Awesome, but it would be nice to see some 16GB ones in the near future.

Hopefully there will be something similar to the RED RAIL for the Scarlet.
 
Ameer Ally said:
A lens that let's me get good DOF
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Lenses don't get you shallow DoF. Large sensors do. Or, more pedantically, large sensors let you use longer focal lengths (which provide shallower DoF) without your field of view becoming too narrow.

I think there's definitely a market for a reasonably priced indie filmmaker's camera with a photo lens mount. But it requires a Super 35 sized sensor to be practical (the widest 35mm SLR lenses available aren't nearly wide enough for a 2/3" sensor sans adaptor) which is substantially larger than a 2/3" sensor. If my math is right, the Red One's sensor has about three times the surface area of the Scarlet's sensor, and anyone who knows anything about chip fabrication knows that costs climb very steeply as chip size goes up.

In other words, that indie filmmaker's camera with a photo lens mount? It's a Red One with a Nikon or Canon EF mount, which you can buy today (or soon, with EF). Would it be nice if there were a substantially cheaper and smaller camera body that did everything the Red One did? Sure. And there probably will be... if you're willing to wait a few years.

Scarlet is 2/3". That's already pretty nuts for $3K. It also has a 3K bayer sensor and records fairly lightly compressed raw data, which means it'll probably produce a better 1080p image than any sub-$10K camera. Maybe any sub-$20K camera (with the obvious exception of the Red One). That's freaking insane! Oh, and it records across a wider variety of frame rates than a $50K Varicam. For $3K! This thing is nuts!

The short max record time and relatively slow lens might make it impractical for e.g. event videographers, but every film student in the country who can scrape together 3K is going to buy one. (And incidentally, become familiar with Red workflow.... In other words, Scarlet is a sort of "gateway drug" for higher-end Red products. This is absolutely brilliant.)
 
Hey Kenny,

And incidentally, become familiar with Red workflow.... In other words, Scarlet is a sort of "gateway drug" for higher-end Red products. This is absolutely brilliant.
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I think this is an important point, especially for those who keep on complaining that scarlet didn't meet their expectations.

The thing that Scarlet is meant for is to get you ready for Red and for Epic.
 
I am guessing that this is Jim's way to get the attention of all in the prosumer market in his quest to make Red an industry household name.
Also to get those who buy it ready for high resolution work flow. If everyone and their mother get this Red 3k then most of them will understand how to do it and will own some of the accessories already. This is only a genius strategy for a newcomer with a new tool and lots of funding. And since this is nothing else but lots of competition all customers benefit.
Taking all of this into consideration, isn't the fixed lens is just a small handicap for the benefit of Red One?
 
Chris Kenny said:
Every film student in the country who can scrape together 3K is going to buy one. (And incidentally, become familiar with Red workflow.... In other words, Scarlet is a sort of "gateway drug" for higher-end Red products. This is absolutely brilliant.)
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You're right.
That's where I stand right now.
 
RED is brilliant.

Not only will they sell this camera to everyone who owns the RED ONE and EPIC as a "B" cam for tight shots and stunt shots, but they will get everyone else wanting to jump on the RED wagon, but can't afford it.

Sign me up. I'm buying.
 
proaudio4 said:
RED is brilliant.

Not only will they sell this camera to everyone who owns the RED ONE and EPIC as a "B" cam for tight shots and stunt shots, but they will get everyone else wanting to jump on the RED wagon, but can't afford it.

Sign me up. I'm buying.
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Exactly, it's crazy to think that I could be owning a Red camera in a year with onboard recording and a lens... insane!
 
My final word on interchangeable lenses is:

I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

keep the current lens, and then make it removable. I'm new to the technical side of filming, so if that affects the people who like fixed lenses, please explain to me how

I'm not being sarcastic, I seriously would like someone to tell me
 
Ameer Ally said:
My final word on interchangeable lenses is:

I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

keep the current lens, and then make it removable. I'm new to the technical side of filming, so if that affects the people who like fixed lenses, please explain to me how
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It would make the camera more expensive. Having interchangeable lenses might seem trivial from a mechanical standpoint, but because of the high level of precision involved, it's actually not.

And what lenses would you use with it anyway? B4 lenses are designed to cover this format, but they're all for three chip cameras... wouldn't work. It would have been somewhat interesting if Red had made the sensor Super 16 format and given the camera a PL mount... but cine glass is expensive, even in Super 16. Practically any lens you could buy would cost more than the camera.
 
Chris Kenny said:
It would make the camera more expensive. Having interchangeable lenses might seem trivial from a mechanical standpoint, but because of the high level of precision involved, it's actually not.

And what lenses would you use with it anyway? B4 lenses are designed to cover this format, but they're all for three chip cameras... wouldn't work. It would have been somewhat interesting if Red had made the sensor Super 16 format and given the camera a PL mount... but cine glass is expensive, even in Super 16. Practically any lens you could buy would cost more than the camera.
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I get what you mean. I guess I'd be using SLR glass in which case and adapter would be used.

OK MY FINAL FINAL WORD

I am happy with what they have given us...GIVE IT TO ME NOW!! NOW DAMMIT!!
 
Can anyone explain why manufacturing a body-only camera that allows for interchangeable lenses would be more expensive than having to manufacture that same camera with a built-in lens? Sorry if I'm missing something obvious here but, please enlighten me.

What I was personally hoping for was a S35 sensor in a body that allowed maximum flexibility for lenses and other accessories. 3K price point isn't what it's all about when the competitor's cams are selling well at 7-10K. I'd pay 6K for the above mentioned cam in a heartbeat. Probably higher.
 
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