Patents

[MikeCurtis]

I should image Jim has some comfort level with dealing with patent and brand encroachment - Oakley is deadly serious about enforcing trademarks and patents. Fake Oakleys on the market? Report'em, they'll be off the shelves in NO time.

 

[Bruce Allen]

Sony's R&D lab must be way to large to sell a camera like RED for a price like 20k. Remember, the RED team is only 17 people. Sony is huge.

I'd say if you count the people involved in the R&D of manufacturing the sensor to RED's specs, RED's team would be a lot larger than 17, methinks.

That said, I love small, good companies!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

 

[Bachman]

Hell, I would hope RED is bigger than 17 people, otherwise it's goin to take years to fill orders.

 

[GlennChan]

I don't think it's reasonable to expect Sony to dominate at everything it does... like all companies, I would expect Sony to have its hits and misses.

If you look at tape decks, it has had successes with betaSP, digital betacam, HDCAM, and (soon to be) HDCAM SR. And Sony has had misses with betaSX, D-1.

2- Sony also has some decent competition to keep them honest... for example, Panasonic has been fairly aggressive in its pricing and introduced things like affordable 24p in its DVX.

 

[Bachman]

I don't think it's reasonable to expect Sony to dominate at everything it does... like all companies, I would expect Sony to have its hits and misses.

If you look at tape decks, it has had successes with betaSP, digital betacam, HDCAM, and (soon to be) HDCAM SR. And Sony has had misses with betaSX, D-1.

2- Sony also has some decent competition to keep them honest... for example, Panasonic has been fairly aggressive in its pricing and introduced things like affordable 24p in its DVX.

Do we count XDCAM as a HIT or a MISS?

 

[Shawn Nelson]

I'd say if you count the people involved in the R&D of manufacturing the sensor to RED's specs, RED's team would be a lot larger than 17, methinks.

Oh yeah...those 17 do not include the manufacturing of the Mysterium, that was done earlier. In fact, me thinks that Mysterium was nearly done (at least the prototype) before December 05, because that's when Jim had posted a lot of specs of the sensor, and they really haven't changed since then. I think Jim spent a few years getting his sensor and once he did, he then formed the famous small group, "outed himself" to the world at NAB 06 (actually a few months earlier on www.red.com) and here's where we stand.

 

[Stephen Gentle]

I agree...everytime I walk through the TV department in electronics stores, I stop to view all the TVs. Over the years to the present, it's been the Sony TVs that my eyes felt most comfortable with. I like their TVs...

Maybe for CRTs and LCDs, but when it comes to Plasmas, I reckon the Fujitsu panels look the best.

Anyway, I think that Sony might be in trouble unless that new solid state XDCAM system is cheaper than RED, and better than the HPX500. But the CineAlta series is doomed...

 

[Stephen Gentle]

I'd say if you count the people involved in the R&D of manufacturing the sensor to RED's specs, RED's team would be a lot larger than 17, methinks.

Hell, I would hope RED is bigger than 17 people, otherwise it's goin to take years to fill orders.

Jim has said that RED doesn't manufacture the sensors, and I doubt that they would build the cameras either...

 

[Bachman]

Maybe for CRTs and LCDs, but when it comes to Plasmas, I reckon the Fujitsu panels look the best.

Anyway, I think that Sony might be in trouble unless that new solid state XDCAM system is cheaper than RED, and better than the HPX500. But the CineAlta series is doomed...

Pioneer make the best Plasma, hands down, no contest. They are also the most expensive by far.

XDCAM is not solid state..its has a spinning optical disk and a moving laser

 

[RobRoySyd]

XDCAM is not solid state..its has a spinning optical disk and a moving laser

The new XDCAM EX writes to SXS flash cards, no BD disks. Sony might have a winner with this cam. 3 x 1/2" CCDs for $8K and cheap media.

What should be of interest to RED users is the new XDCAM drive at $3K. Would seem an ideal way to archive footage. The 50GB disks are rated for 30 years and the drive connects via USB. A SATA version was reported to be in the works.

 

[Bachman]

The new XDCAM EX writes to SXS flash cards, no BD disks. Sony might have a winner with this cam. 3 x 1/2" CCDs for $8K and cheap media.

What should be of interest to RED users is the new XDCAM drive at $3K. Would seem an ideal way to archive footage. The 50GB disks are rated for 30 years and the drive connects via USB. A SATA version was reported to be in the works.

Hmmm...you got me on that one, but it's not released yet and its a prosumer camera right?. If I turned up to a shoot with that thing id lose my clients