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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Panavision

Graeme Nattress said:
It's not 37 mp as you know them though.... Just go look at the image of the sensor layout. You won't get the high measured resolution you would from a 37mp bayer pattern sensor, that's for sure.

Graeme
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Good to know MP's can be different sizes. i always assumed that it was a fixed measurement.
 
Because it's not how many pixels you have, it's what you do with them that counts. In stills cameras they all (well, nearly) us a bayer pattern, and hence you can sorta compare mp count to get a good idea on comparative resolution. RED also uses a bayer pattern, but this new sensor is something rather different and funky and hence needs to be measured to get an idea of it's resolution.

Graeme
 
Jannard said:
1st off... RED will never be alone building professional cameras. 2nd... this may be a good thing for Panavision and could help them turn their momentum around.

All we want to do is move the transition from film to digital quickly and respectfully. When we decided to build a camera, it was because we saw an industry that was taking the slow and painful route. If we have motivated others to quicken the pace... then we have done a good job for the industry.

Jim
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LOL...

And you wanted the cam you never could buy.
Thanks for sharing your project. :beer:
 
Panavision is much more than a rental house and camera manufacturer. The service they provide is unmatched in the film industry. You just can't get that service anywhere else right now. They have been doing it for a long time and get what it takes to service and fuel a film production. You can be almost anywhere in the world and get Panavision support and a new camera delivered to the set if anything goes wrong. They are also great at helping to build special rigs, adaptors, lenses, and no matter what camera they rent this will always be a needed service.

That being said, the fact that they are so use to doing things with a certain mindset they have been slow to adopt to changes in the industry. As more and more quality choices (Red, CineAlta, etc) become available there is less reason for them to continue to blow money on R&D and camera development as they are no longer the only game in town and I'm sure it's becoming far less profitable. At least as it pertains to digital.

When you really think about it, Panavision needs Red and Red could use Panavision. If Panavision where to partner with someone like Red and Sony (which they already do) and just "Panavise" the cameras, rent the cameras with Panavision lenses they could drop R&D for the future Genesis and focus on what they really do well. Red benefits from this because they will have a strong partner helping to distribute, rent and push Red camera into production and this only means more sales for Red.

It also means better service which also helps Reds reputation. Just read the complaint forum on here, or read the many detailed stories of Red on productions where cameras freeze or have to be restarted. Software glitches, image glitches, etc. Big players in the industry don't have time for this and Red is just not big enough (support wise) to keep up with the service demand as more Reds go into production.

I dunno - Jim has already shown his respect for Panavision and I can't think of another digital camera maker with the quality potential of Red that is in a position to partner up with them. So who knows what could happen :)
 
chrislancaster said:
Apple bought Ron Brinkmans company after he created Shake. Small companylike you said.

Don't know of any others.
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Apple purchased iTunes, Final Cut Pro, Shake, Color and Logic that I know of.

Although I'm not saying RED should get into the rental business.
 
The thing that I am not hearing in this thread is how similar RED is to Panavision. They both are flexible modular multi-format camera systems. Panavision was [and still is] an industry leader and pioneer of innovation, adapting new technologies and advancing the art and science of 'motion pictures.' So now is RED.

Panaflex RED anyone? :bigear:
 
Brent Lestage said:
The thing that I am not hearing in this thread is how similar RED is to Panavision. They both are flexible modular multi-format camera systems. Panavision was [and still is] an industry leader and pioneer of innovation, adapting new technologies and advancing the art and science of 'motion pictures.' So now is RED.

Panaflex RED anyone? :bigear:
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think of the technology leap in glass (plus industry clout) for Red if they acquired Panavison....

maybe they are already as good i dunno ..like to find out tho..lol
 
David M said:
According to Yahoo Finance Revlon is worth about minus $1.2 billion, so maybe not:closedeyes:
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That's the shareholders equity on the balance sheet. They do make good money. In fact $170m annually. They can service the long term debt just fine.

The only question that arises from the balance sheet is what kind of monkey is running the show that needs over $1b in debt in order to produce a few truck loads of lipsticks.:rolleyes:
 
It's not just producing the lipstick, but selling it too. Which keeps the camera end (and many people here) in business doing commercials. One billion would make me think there has been some (ok, a lot of) useless dipping in the trough though.
 
Panavision would likely be Red's biggest client, same as they are ARRI's.

Panavision have heaps of RED Ones both PL and PV mounted.

They do heaps of stuff apart from rent cameras, remember they own Deluxe, E-Film, Lee filters, SVI, etc. etc.

Also they do quite a bit of manufacturing for other companies e.g. lenses.


I doubt they are going anywhere.
 
Zaphod said:
Panavision would likely be Red's biggest client, same as they are ARRI's.

Panavision have heaps of RED Ones both PL and PV mounted.

They do heaps of stuff apart from rent cameras, remember they own Deluxe, E-Film, Lee filters, SVI, etc. etc.

Also they do quite a bit of manufacturing for other companies e.g. lenses.


I doubt they are going anywhere.
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Panavision does NOT own Deluxe,eFilm etc - never has, in fact those two companies/brands are owned by Perelman's investment company McAndrews Forbes Ltd.

Lee filters is owned by PanaLux and I'm unsure about SVI's direct shareholding.

Panavision is now owned by the banks who have also injected an additional US$40m after retiring US$150m of debt in exchange for control. All of these facts are out there in the public domain for verification.
 
Great info but we need real names here...

Jim
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
Apple bought Final Touch and turned it into Color.

Cheers - #19
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Also:

Emagic for Logic, Fingerworks for their multi-touch systems, P.A. Semi for mobile processors, Lala.com for music streaming (wait until the iTunes cloud, no more storage necessary) and most recently Qauttro for mobile advertising.
 
Todd M. said:
Also:

Emagic for Logic, Fingerworks for their multi-touch systems, P.A. Semi for mobile processors, Lala.com for music streaming (wait until the iTunes cloud, no more storage necessary) and most recently Qauttro for mobile advertising.
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There's also Astart's DVD Director (which became DVD Studio), Nothing Real's Shake, and perhaps the biggest of all, Macromedia's KeyGrip, which became Final Cut Pro.

Oh, and even bigger than that, Next Computer's NextStep - which became OS X. The fact is that regardless of its reputation, very little of Apple's software actually originated at Apple. And that's a fact.
 
M Most said:
There's also Astart's DVD Director (which became DVD Studio), Nothing Real's Shake, and perhaps the biggest of all, Macromedia's KeyGrip, which became Final Cut Pro.

Oh, and even bigger than that, Next Computer's NextStep - which became OS X. The fact is that regardless of its reputation, very little of Apple's software actually originated at Apple. And that's a fact.
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The structure of the NextStep deal was such that it was closer to Next acquiring Apple, as opposed to the other way around AIUI.
 
Panavision is the first company (film and digital equipment maker, not camera/accessories seller, only rental) that struggles with today's post bank meltdown era,

the second is Arri (film and digital equipment maker, camera/accessories seller, rental) that also with today's post bank meltdown era.

So RED-DC should seriously think about any further step in that "heavy" market filed that put those two above mentioned competitive companies in a very deep financial troubles.
 
Steve G said:
We know that panavision has some financial troubles, but where is your evidence for arriflex having financial troubles ?
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There is no ARRI annual report available but some rumors told us that film camera sales dropped in the last two years so they should be in a certain financial troubles...
 
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