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Panavision sensor - for sale? (mysterium X anybody??)

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Hi all,

I was browsing the net and noticed an obscurer branch of Panavision near my home town in upstate New York. Looked over their site; they make imaging sensors. Here is the link. http://www.panavisionsvi.com/imagers_DMAX.htm

It looks like the sensors are for sale. Can you buy sensors from Panavision and build your own competing camera? Is this chip perhaps the Mysterium X?

Not putting Red down, I just got off of a feature shooting with Red (I am an AC). Great to work with. Just throwing it out to the forum masses.

-John
 
... nope.

Jim
 
Applications for this sensor according to Panavision's literature:

■ Various HDTV video formats with Region-of-Interest (ROI), Pixel-Skip, HDR and Pixel-Binning modes
■ Machine vision & scientific research
■ Biometrics, security, surveillance & military
 
Mysterium is 14 MP sensor isn't it?
The Panavision sensor is 37 MP.
So, they are definitely different.

Panavision Origin 4K has been around long before RED.
But, they did not have the business and marketing genius of Jim.
So, Origin sat around as an item of curiosity.
RED came along and captured the entire movie camera market in just 2 years.
(and killed off ARRI, PANSVISION, SONY etc. in one shot).

There are many fabricators around the globe who can make 35 mm CMOS sensors.
Mysterium is supposed to be fabricated in Singapore, right?

Jim will be remembered as the man who brought the 35 mm movie camera to the masses.
Jim will also be remembered as the David who challenged the Goliaths like ARRI and SONY and won!
Long live Jim!

In related note: I heard in India, more than a dozen feature movies are in production or pre-production using RED.
within a year , Bollywood would be covered in RED.
Can you imagine 1500 movies using RED, coming out of Bollywood every year ?
 
It's the Dalsa Origin, not Panavision.

I agree from what I saw at Cine Gear Expo this year that the RED ONE appears to be doing well.

Keep in mind though that all of the companies you claim to have been killed are releasing new cameras, just as Kodak continues to make new film stocks. The hot camera five years from now might be the Epic2, or something none of us has even heard of.
 
probably 100k just for the sensor alone. and they make you buy in bulk of 100's.
 
My money is with Jim & Red Team!

I only wish I had my two Red cameras today...summer is going fast!

Dave
 
DanWood said:
In related note: I heard in India, more than a dozen feature movies are in production or pre-production using RED.
within a year , Bollywood would be covered in RED.
Can you imagine 1500 movies using RED, coming out of Bollywood every year ?
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The number is 800 and it's for all of India. Bollywood alone is less. But Red and Bollywood is an ideal duo. Their films scream for colorful sharp eye candy. And with Red as the source BD discs should be of stellar quality as well.
 
The 37mp chip, according to that site, neither is in production, nor has engineering samples available.... Also, it's a RGB stripe pattern, but with diamond shaped pixels - quite funky. In normal mode, 3 pixels are binned together to give a single colour, then three of these are combined to give a RGB triple. There's a full resolution mode too, without the binning, but again, RGB stripe....

Graeme
 
I don’t think the difficulty to create 4K camera is only in the sensor.
Finding GPU fast enough to process such amount of data and making it small enough is the challenge.
Actually all combinations of factors play the major role in the acceptance of the product, including the owners and the team behind the product.
 
Whatever, when I watch a film, I don't stick my nose chasing grains one by one... Story can be bad, even if tols with a crisp image... Actors can be great, even pixellated! :biggrin:

Red is sooo bringing full affordable feature quality in my hands.

I leave the war to the warriors. Chrysler made the Pacer. Yet, people bought it... Go figure... :biggrin:
 
Andrew said:
I don’t think the difficulty to create 4K camera is only in the sensor.
Finding GPU fast enough to process such amount of data and making it small enough is the challenge.
Actually all combinations of factors play the major role in the acceptance of the product, including the owners and the team behind the product.
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8K is only compressed in less than 18MB/s. What we know about 4K RED 28 or 36 MB/s !!!!

Oohs. I should be humble as a CHINESE.

STEW
 
Until the ceo of panavision gets on line and asks what the consumers want, they don't have a chance. Red has already cornered the market and continues at a rapid pace. Unless they (Red) change strategies I can't see anyone able to move in on this territory. There's the price point and theres the features and the good marketing, like all good marketing, is giving people what they want. And now theres the name. It would be hard for any company to mustle in now and none seem to do so. Next year or so they will all be offering similar cameras. Red will be miles ahead. It's a known comodity and by next year so many new things about this camera will arise. It will see exponential growth. This is partly due to it's "open source" aspect where other manufacturers are encouraged to join in on the ride, so it's like pc, linux and mac all joined into one. Unless Jim changes strategies it will remain the camera of choice. These sensors would be good for a niche market where the options are still open. I think hdr (with twin sensors) and more automatic cameras are where the niche lies. However because of the way red is designed, third party manufacturers can fullfil at least the second niche (like birger and the other companies that will be joining the ride in the near future)
There may be a niche for sexier looking cameras as well for those that need to look good on set. Likewise this could be fullfilled by third parties and we see that happening a lot, just make sure you include red, blue and black knobs and you should be right.
Theres really only a certain market for these types of cameras and really the market is saturated already. people have invested a lot of money into their systems and the amount of red cameras that will be in the field by next year is unprecedented in terms of what has happened before. There has never been so many high quality cameras in the field so the offerings that anyone would have to come out with would have to be enough to motivate someone to buy a new system or in the case of people that haven't put their order in, be at a price point that beats red substantially. The pathetic way manufacturers compete with each other with their "proprietry" offerings (which basically is translated to Greed) is what has left this opening available in the first place. We can only hope that the growing power enjoyed by red does not blind them into a similar mentality. However, with the solid grounding they get from their consumers, this is unlikely to happen any time soon.
 
REDHKSC said:
Oohs. I should be humble as a CHINESE.

STEW
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"A superior man is modest in his speech, but exceeds in his actions."
-confusius

"By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest."
-confusius
 
I am wondering why this sensor is for sale and Panavision is not using it exclusively for Genesis? It seems like it's not good enough for Panavision or they'd have locked it down for their own cameras. Or, all the crappy ones get sold and the good ones go to Genesis?
 
DanWood said:
RED came along and captured the entire movie camera market in just 2 years.
(and killed off ARRI, PANSVISION, SONY etc. in one shot).
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I have to ask -- are off your meds? This is so wrong I don't even know where to begin.
 
Read the SVI website - this new sensor is not ready yet. They don't have engineering samples yet, and it's not in production.

Graeme
 
There is a whole lot of crazy packed into just one thread.
 
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