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Panasonic Micro 4/3 camera with 1080/24p video- now we're talking

Graeme Nattress said:
Potential is one thing, but the devil is in the details.

Graeme
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Okay, sorry I used "potential". What is your opinion of this new camera?

Graeme, you are one of the brightest fellows I've "read", but sometimes I think that the very bright don't always understand what the masses would be happy with. The "details" are often lost in the wash of varying lighting, shooting, post, and delivery schemes.

I stand by my opinion that a physical chip size that somewhat approximates 35mm dof, with a reasonably robust compression for 1080p, would make a very large majority, content. That's why folks get excited, at least with the "idea" of this new pany.

I'm not debating that this new camera could suck, especially with something like skew, but you have to understand the appeal.

Just my thoughts.
Chris
 
I've got to get one in my hands, shoot some footage, some charts, try to edit up something with one before I can possibly comment more than "interesting". The devil really is in the details. You just have to look at what the recent DSLR / Video cameras promised, and what the reality of the little details was once you got a good look at them. There were certainly some "gotchas" in the details. More than most people I have a fair idea on how hard it is to make a camera. I know how hard it is to get details right, and I'm only really looking at camera design from my own narrow perspective as a camera is just too complex for one person to fully understand all the nuances of.

I've said before though, and it's worth repeating, that every company needs good competition. (And all good governments need a good opposition too!)

Graeme
 
well commented graeme.. my only but goes to everybody here excited w/ 17mbps while bashing 5dmk2 while bashing sony instead the "sister" panny
 
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Panasonic DMC-GH1 has HDMI output.

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Yannick Hagman said:
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Pretty much the original scarlet without RAW but a bigger sensor isn't it?
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Almost an ideal size for the FourThirds anamorphic acquisition if somebody could make front or back anamorphic adapter lens.
 
kidrobot said:
Olympus showed this mock-up at Photokina in september:

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http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092208olympus_micro_four_thirds.asp

There will be a new 20/1.7 pancake lens for it too. That would be like a 40mm on full frame 35.
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That would be great. I would really love to have a point & shoot with a 4/3 chip or even a 1.6 DSLR chip.

Sigma has the DP1 which has nearly a 1.6 DSLR chip, but it's a Foven sensor and I'm not sure how they perform. The camera has a fixed F4.0 lens--too slow.

Their coming replacement the DP2 has the same large chip, but with a 42mm (35 equivalent) f2.8 fixed. That's starting to get in a better place, but I think I'd miss a variable lens.

I'm convinced that if someone made a point & shoot with a larger chip, it would fill much of the need for something like a D-Rebel. Hell, I'd probably give up my Rebel for that kind of camera. Most folks end up using the shitty kit lens anyway...

Chris
 
Wow... one of the best parts of this little camera is the swivel screen! :)

Anyone think they might make anamorphic 4/3 lenses? hehe, probably never.

That said it looks great but I would rather spend the cash on Scarlet accessories and be able to shoot RAW footage.

Perhaps RED should give Scarlet the option to record a 1080 AVC Intra 100 and perhaps something else even smaller... just to bite into the "already compressed market".
There are lots of uses for a light and small file out of the camera. And lots of people that could afford the fixed lens Scarlet but wont because of the weight of the files. But if the brains could record something really small as an option, then they would push all of these aside and the high end cameras all together in one fell swoop.
 
ProLost said:
I thought the DP2's chip is the same size as the DP1's, is that not true?

-Stu
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Yeah, it's the same size as the DP1. I meant overall, the DP1 /2 is the first large chip. I thought about buying the DP1, but I didn't like the lens choice.

With the DP2, the lens I think, is a better starting point. 40mm (equiv) and f2.8. That seems reasonable.

I'd love to ditch my DSLR for much of my fun / vacation / screwing around shooting. I've had a personal back-lash against the DSLR market. All the entry level stuff is garbage and you still have to spend a whack to get FF. I want to burn my D-Rebel every time I use it. Talk about half measures. I thought about going back to film and even bought an old FE body and a couple of kick-ass fast lenses.... but then I couldn't stomach the price of shooting film.

I truly believe that the point & shoot market is way under served. There is no good reason we shouldn't have bigger chips in those cameras.

Chris
 
The DP1 isn't very pocket friendly and larger chips need big optics. I think the Olympus retro m43 with a pancake lens will be the best compromise. And with the Four Thirds adapter you could attach a 600mm, the day the need comes. Not that I know if the FT system has a 600mm yet. The DP1 does give gorgeous image quality and the 4.6 Foveon megapixels outresolve most compacts with smaller sensors.

I think it's a shame Olympus and co didn't realize sooner that the strength in Four Thirds is in small cams and not E-3's competing with FF Nikons and Canons.
 
Panasonic anamorphic adapter or the Century Optics 58mm filter threaded anamorphic adapter are the only things I can think of for anamorphic filming. The Nikon Iscorama lenses are there too but people have told me that those are not ideal for video.
 
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