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Panasonic going towards 8K to the masses...

"With the technology, it is possible to capture images at 8K resolution, even in high contrast scenes, such as a field under strong sunlight and shaded spectator seats under a stadium roof. " - Yes, we get it. 8K Olympics Japan... 8K Olympics. ;)
 
I wonder what is going to happen. This sensor technology might be better than the 8k consumer sensor technogy Red is planning, which might force Panasonic into responding with a 8k consumer and multipoint.

Hopefully Red loosens up the video market more.
 
Organics at pixel level is interesting.

. "In-pixel gain switching technology" that can achieve high saturation characteristics
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This section of the PDF goes on to describe saturation in two modes (4.5k and 450k) that can be “switched”.
I may be missing something or everything:) .. does the PDF indicate that both these modes can be active simultaneously or in unision?
Sure the picturegrams of the spectator in the shadows sprukes HDR, but it does not appear to be supported in the text? Something lost in translation?

No use of the term “HDR”?

Mike Brennan
 
HDR is an abbreviation dominantly used for delivery.
 
Nonsense. HDR is a well known physical phenomena used in camera technology for many decades, that has only recently come to popular consumer TV tech marketing.

This stuck in the 12 stop being good area of decades ago, might consider that as having intrinsic HDR value.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
Nonsense. HDR is a well known physical phenomena used in camera technology for many decades, that has only recently come to popular consumer TV tech marketing.
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And in 2018 Panasonic marketing dept uses terms in terminology standardized for display technology.
And not image stacking/tonal mapping etc.

Or they forgot to use it in a PR. Or they never heard of HDR.


Btw, if new TV sets are labeled "HDR", this sensor would be UHDR.




Jacek Zakowicz said:
Ansel Adams
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Ansel Adams doesn't make TV sets.
 
Am I missing something? If this is going into the GH60, if this has better specs than the Monstro sensor. It surely needs to be subpar in other aspects? Otherwise, why would anyone buy a Monstro with this around the corner? Or any other 8K camera?
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
But shot HDR
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Actually maybe more accurate to say he printed HDR. Kinda was the basis of the Zone System I believe. But you are correct: HDR is not a 2000's invention and certainly not limited to recent monitors or digital acquisition
 
Christoffer Glans said:
Am I missing something? If this is going into the GH60, if this has better specs than the Monstro sensor. It surely needs to be subpar in other aspects? Otherwise, why would anyone buy a Monstro with this around the corner? Or any other 8K camera?
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Or RED moves the goal line again with a new cine sensor - perhaps in colab with Foxconn. Such is the hardware business; endless quest to be the best
 
Zeb B said:
Or RED moves the goal line again with a new cine sensor - perhaps in colab with Foxconn. Such is the hardware business; endless quest to be the best
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That's my point... why invest in a Monstro if things like this is around the corner? It's not like the last couple of years of sensor development where there's been like one extra stop, more resolution, slightly tweaked colors, slightly better noise etc. this is a major step forward and if Red counters with a sensor that manage 20+ stops, global shutter in 8K that's gonna render both Helium and Monstro way too expensive for what they do. I'm glad I didn't jump on any upgrades at this moment.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
That's my point... why invest in a Monstro if things like this is around the corner? It's not like the last couple of years of sensor development where there's been like one extra stop, more resolution, slightly tweaked colors, slightly better noise etc. this is a major step forward and if Red counters with a sensor that manage 20+ stops, global shutter in 8K that's gonna render both Helium and Monstro way too expensive for what they do. I'm glad I didn't jump on any upgrades at this moment.
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Happy RED Ower:
1. Buy once, don't chase the next new thing and make personal projects that are technically pretty darn good for years to come. My Epic-M gave me many lovely shots.
2. Have a Rental Business that supports a large asset.
3. Have a series of immediate projects supports the Buy v Rent
4. Be rich and have the next new thing with little regard to resale
5. Stay off RU and don't worry about where RED (or any other cam company) is going next. Like the RED phone thing: I'll look at it when it's released and fully functional. Not worth a thought until it's real. The cost and aggravation to be a Got it First Guy is a waste of life

Posted this recently on another thread. Shot with an Epic-M, Canon lens at like 75fps or something. Out of camera type grade. Go ahead, zoom in

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8K is cool. Built-in, variable, electronic ND at the sensor level is cool. Global shutter, 60fps and high sensitivity are all cool.

In my opinion, provided this sensor or a variation ends up in a Varicam or the like, the only thing that's going to move the needle in Panasonic's favor in terms of cinema and TV industry adoption is the High Saturation Mode. And it'd better be a significant gain.

Bring on the highlights.
 
Zeb B said:
Happy RED Ower:
1. Buy once, don't chase the next new thing and make personal projects that are technically pretty darn good for years to come. My Epic-M gave me many lovely shots.
2. Have a Rental Business that supports a large asset.
3. Have a series of immediate projects supports the Buy v Rent
4. Be rich and have the next new thing with little regard to resale
5. Stay off RU and don't worry about where RED (or any other cam company) is going next. Like the RED phone thing: I'll look at it when it's released and fully functional. Not worth a thought until it's real. The cost and aggravation to be a Got it First Guy is a waste of life

Posted this recently on another thread. Shot with an Epic-M, Canon lens at like 75fps or something. Out of camera type grade. Go ahead, zoom in

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Zeb, I think you are right. There's no question that Panasonic has thrown down a big marker. Will they deliver? When? At what price? All good questions.

Foveon made huge claims that never panned out. RED made huge claims which, after a few generations, really did deliver. And I think that RED proved that only when people have a chance to really push the limits can one judge the validity of any given innovation. I think it's premature to dismiss Panasonic's announcement out of hand. And it's also kinda silly to sit on the sidelines waiting for the perfect technology to become available. The idea of obsoleting obsolescence is precisely to be able to incrementally incorporate innovations as they become available, without having to throw out everything every time. But RED's in a nice place right now: Helium+IPP2 is a damn good S35 platform and Monstro+IPP2 is a damn good VV platform. I'm happy. And I'm happy to see what's next!
 
Christoffer Glans said:
That's my point... why invest in a Monstro if things like this is around the corner? It's not like the last couple of years of sensor development where there's been like one extra stop, more resolution, slightly tweaked colors, slightly better noise etc. this is a major step forward and if Red counters with a sensor that manage 20+ stops, global shutter in 8K that's gonna render both Helium and Monstro way too expensive for what they do. I'm glad I didn't jump on any upgrades at this moment.
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They do I think. You just have to use HDR mode to get there, and it's not the best at that many extra stops over normal.
 
Hrvoje Simic said:
And in 2018 Panasonic marketing dept uses terms in terminology standardized for display technology.
And not image stacking/tonal mapping etc.

Or they forgot to use it in a PR. Or they never heard of HDR.


Btw, if new TV sets are labeled "HDR", this sensor would be UHDR.






Ansel Adams doesn't make TV sets.
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Hrvoje. What are you rambling on about this time?

Straight, they are selling to consuners too and can pick and choose how they explain it.

I would think that 10k nit Sony TV might be good enough to market as ultra HDR.
 
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