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P+S Technik IMS Interchangeable Mount System report

Many thanks Sanjin, for your effort and for those precious info.
I'm tuned...
 
The Third Man said:
Tlorenzo you're acting here as a sort of "cop" or even you asked question like a "cop".

Here there are nobody you could call "someone" in a way.
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This it not the first time you've accused me of acting like a cop. It's really bothering me, Sanjin - because I'm not. I'm just very interested in seeing how the RED looks like on the inside (I openly admit I'm a tech/electronics geek - as many others here on REDUser). Check out the "Inside the RED ONE" thread if you want.

The Third Man said:
There are the people from P+S Technik that took those pictures.

And also those pictures are "owned" by P+S Technik Development Department and I'm sure nobody can see it except them.
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So by showing those pictures on REDUser is okay then?

The Third Man said:
To explain you that this is a part of P+S Technik developmet process if you could accept it and understand somehow.
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I accept and understand - and just for the record - I'm not trying to trick you into releasing pictures of something you're not allowed to show anyone else. I'm just curious. Ok?

The Third Man said:
Please no any more funny observations and questions like this.
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So when you post pictures I'm not allowed to ask questions? Who's being the cop now? :shifty:

I really hope you manage to push this IMS thing forward together with P+S - it could be wonderful for all us lowbudget filmmakers. Please don't be hostile towards me - I'm not being that towards you at all.
 
Tlorenzo,

excuse me if my reaction disturbed you,

I am sometime reacting very hard but I am not hard at all believe me.

Also nothing against you personally.

It's like in a theater, sometimes you play "louder" just because you want that audience in the last row can hear what you said you very clear.

Then you are "shouting" to get "an effect".

It's about a dramatic point or a tension.

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About all those pictures I do not have any of the original except this photo.

I wanted to show it here because that Redusers can see that the P+S Technik started to work on IMS for RED.

Hope that the P+S Technik will do its best and we can have finally soon a professional alternative for RED build in PL mount.

Don't forget that IMS would give you the adapters for:

PL,
Panavision PV,
Nikon F Enhanced (also with a positive lock),
Canon EF,
Leica R,
Leica M,
Zeiss Contax,
B4 etc...
lenses that you could attach in

ONE UNIVERSAL MOUNT or the IMS.

NO SWAPPING THE MOUNTS ANY MORE.

JUST SWAPPING THE ADAPTERS.
 
No problem, Sanjin. We all want the same in the end, I guess. Keep up the good work.
 
Leica M?!...

Are you sure? The ffd is very very small. Hope you're right.

The P+S Technik sounds great. I am only wondering, will it work for ALL lenses in a supported mount? It is possible that lenses with deep or especially thick rear elements might not fit.

Let's wait and see. I'm optimistic.
 
If you look at the P&S system, the flange for the interchangable mount sits right up next to the sensor, in order to work with so many different mounts. Most likely, the reason they took the front of the camera off, was because they would have to either completely modify and remove the PL mount from the Red, or put a whole new machined front on the camera.

This is not going to be as simple as the nikon mount, and is most likely going to cost a whole bunch of money. It will be really painfull for those of us without euros.

Nick
 
The IMS a bit closer

The IMS a bit closer

Medavoym said:
Leica M?!...

Are you sure? The ffd is very very small. Hope you're right.

The P+S Technik sounds great. I am only wondering, will it work for ALL lenses in a supported mount? It is possible that lenses with deep or especially thick rear elements might not fit.

Let's wait and see. I'm optimistic.
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Leica M is on the list.

Have a look at

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arrinick said:
If you look at the P&S system, the flange for the interchangable mount sits right up next to the sensor, in order to work with so many different mounts. Most likely, the reason they took the front of the camera off, was because they would have to either completely modify and remove the PL mount from the Red, or put a whole new machined front on the camera.

This is not going to be as simple as the nikon mount, and is most likely going to cost a whole bunch of money. It will be really painfull for those of us without euros.

Nick
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You are right.

IMS needs about 3mm from the end of RED PL mount to get closer/deeper to the Mysterium sensor. All that means it should be the first totally removed RED PL mount and then custom made changes of the front side of RED camera with the IMS build in.

Guys in P+S Technik told me that this should not be a problem to make it.

Actually it is a bit the same as with the SI camera and they did it even more with a removable and remote sensor/IMS option in the box.

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Have a look at the 2K clip (8.9 MB) where you can see the IMS a bit closer:

LINK>>>
 
Sanjin, I'm sure everyone appreciates your willingness to become a guinea pig. But with that said, is this really necessary for you to sacrifice your warranty and even perhaps possibly end up with a ruined Red (if things don't go perfectly well)?

Seems like this is a perfect job for one of the original Reds #'s 1-100, that got replaced with 1x - 100x. I don't know what the plans are for those cameras, but if Red would send one over to P+S for evaluation, this seems like a perfect match.
 
Barry Green said:
Sanjin, I'm sure everyone appreciates your willingness to become a guinea pig. But with that said, is this really necessary for you to sacrifice your warranty and even perhaps possibly end up with a ruined Red (if things don't go perfectly well)?

Seems like this is a perfect job for one of the original Reds #'s 1-100, that got replaced with 1x - 100x. I don't know what the plans are for those cameras, but if Red would send one over to P+S for evaluation, this seems like a perfect match.
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Barry,

maybe you are right.

Any decision is still not made.

Could be that your idea about the evaluation with one of (1-100) old REDs is the best one.

So let them have a possibility to meet (RED and P+S) at NAB and talk about it.

I am open to all sides to help as you said like a REDUser Guinea Pig.

By the way "Guinea Pig" is a good title for a short movie :) .
 
HI Sanjin,
any more news or pics about the new nikon mount enanched with positive lock??
 
It's a great solution to many of us who would love to use more than one lens system. The best solution is for RED to offer this mounting system as an option on the RED body when purchasing it. The concept of the RED ONE is versatility and non obsolescence, right?
 
Steve Sanacore said:
It's a great solution to many of us who would love to use more than one lens system. The best solution is for RED to offer this mounting system as an option on the RED body when purchasing it. The concept of the RED ONE is versatility and non obsolescence, right?
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RED could test and then recommend IMS system for RED and Scarlet.

The IMS is a patent of P+S Technik and if you want to make it you have to buy it if it is available for sale.

After NAB we could expect more the third party hardware and software solutions for RED and Scarlet to be recommended by RED.

RED cannot do all.

It's a small but efficient RED Team.
 
Red knows they cannot do it all by themselves, and that's okay -- they've demonstrated a willingness to work with others by reselling the Element Technica Arri base plates in Red's own store. They're supporting a company that makes fantastic add-on products. Heck, they did the same thing with Doug's Nikon mount.

So maybe the prospect exists for them to work together to offer the P+S Technik interchangeable lens mount system as a factory-offered option? That would indeed be exquisitely cool. And, hey, since it's an option, you don't have to actually buy it if you don't need it, right? So if it's expensive, that's P+S's problem, not Red's. If they could satisfy any warranty/service issues, I'd love to see Red work with P+S Technik to make this an option.
 
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