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Any reason why an HDC-TM300 or an HV-40 wouldn't be ok for the first few projects while I'm saving up? I just need a cheep(ish) camera to get started with. To practice camera movement, etc.

One thing I am worried about is the sound. How do I get ok sound out of those?
 
Double system

Double system

keifer said:
One thing I am worried about is the sound. How do I get ok sound out of those?
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You can always shoot double system sound if the camera holds sync for a minute or two, just get a good compact solid state WAV recorder, like sold at music stores, and a clap board. You can put a WAV recorder on each actor and use the audio from the camcorder to sync, and you do not even need a clap board. Magix (tm) is a good cheep (about $10 on ebay) audio editing program you can match and trim, and filter sync audio in.

You can also loop/ADR the audio using two VCR,

1) transfer your camera audio and video to VCR 1

2) connect the video and audio to HI-FI track Right from VCR 1 to VCR 2

3) connect a good microphone to a preamp-mixer with VU meters, and wire that to Left Hi-FI track on VCR 2.

4) connect the audio out of VCR 1 to a power amp and plug in head phones that the looping actor can wear but don't make sound the mic can pick up.

5) Play the takes that need looping on VCR 1 while VCR 2 records, the actor loops while he hears the audio and looks at the monitor. Don't get the mic close to the monitor you can pick up buzz or hum.

6) If you repeat each shot several times on the tape in VCR 1 the actor can loop several tries, otherwise you can rewind the tape in VCR 1 and replay it as many times as is needed while VCR 2 records.

7) do all the shots needed

8) Play back the tape from VCR 2 and pick the looping that works

9) Transfer the good audio and the original audio to make a stereo WAV through your computer's sound board. You can also record the audio to a WAV recorder from the mic mixer to get a better 3rd WAV to use also. If you use a WAV for a 3rd track, you match the sync from the original camcorder audio to the 3rd WAV recording, and the HI-FI recording from the tape is not used, just transfered to help with the sync in case the camcorder audio is not clear on the waveform display.

10) Use Magix (tm) or some other program to trim the WAV files so that all match for start and length, then combine them with the image frames in a program like VirtualDUB to check for lip sync, then edit as needed with some NLE etc.

Using two VHS Hi-FI tapes may seem "Retro" but they are uncompressed and can have better lip sync than compressed formats like MPEG-2 etc on a computer, for the most part, they are also fast and easy to use, and if you make a 3rd track on a good WAV recorder you have a digital audio to use, the VCR 2 tape is just for re-sync and to check the lip sync using the patch through of the video.
 
The problem with waiting is that I really want to shoot. I haven't done enough practice that I would be comfortable when I got the Scarlet. I need practice and am looking for a cheap (spelled it right that time) camera to get the practice on.
 
Pietro Impagliazzo said:
Get a cheap HV and shoot stuff man. It won't eat your budget towards Scarlet and it's gonna get you going.
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I agree with you. I'm mostly worried about their audio capabilities. But since the footage will mostly be throwaway stuff it won't matter too much.
 
I think they're a little more expensive, but the HfS100 gives a slighter better image plus manual gain control with a tapeless workflow, which I've preferred over my Hv30. Of course, it is AVCHD and you'll still need to remove pulldown (which the HV40 avoids.)
 
or a Beachtek - audio breakout boxes are your friend and will give you very useable sound.

i think it is a very good idea - you can pick up a used HV2O for about $500 or spend more on the -30 and -40...

the more time you can spend building your chops, the more you will enjoy your SCARLET and appreciate what it can do.
 
Do you have a still camera? If not, why not get the 7D till scarlett

A seperate sound system might come in handy even with the Scarlett. For example, when shooting in varispeed mode on the RED 1 you can't record sound
 
Meryem Ersoz said:
or a Beachtek - audio breakout boxes are your friend and will give you very useable sound.

i think it is a very good idea - you can pick up a used HV2O for about $500 or spend more on the -30 and -40...

the more time you can spend building your chops, the more you will enjoy your SCARLET and appreciate what it can do.
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He should get one with decent pre-amp a passive beachtek will not be of much use.

From the tests Robert Rozak posted on the JL website the pre-amps on the JL seems like the best, there's extensive documentation on everything about the products and Robert is a great person to deal with.

Juiced Link was all great experiences for me.
 
Just go out and shoot on what ever you get. I got lot of experience even with small DV cam. Creative people make creative footage doesnt matter what they use. After awhile you will know what you really need and why.
 
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