onlining RED proxy's in FCP question

[Bert Patroons]

Hi,

It's the first time I use the RED, and I have a practical question.

I've edited the (4K) material with the "_M" proxy (1K) in Final Cut Pro,
because that is the only one that would play back in real time.

What is now the fastest way to make a quicktime 2K file from this edit.

It can just be the raw image, no color correction is needed.
Do I have to go through RedCine, or can I online and export the edit in FCP itself?

thanks for the help!
Bert

 

[joe hedge]

Quickest way? Transcode everything in your sequence to ProRes on an 8 core MacPro and relink the sequence to those, then export with either FCP or Compressor. Either that or replace the M_proxys with H_proxys and render, which will probably take way longer depending on your system.

 

[Michael Romano]

For the fastest export, without actually rendering proxies - Yuck!, send the sequence to the Color application. Color will then work with the R3D files natively. Pan and scan in geometries room. Its not the best output quality but its better looking than proxies and less hassle for a newbie than trying to relink files. 2K image sequences or ProRes out of the Color app native. Get all the newest software. You'll still have to render used footage at the end. Why no color correction needed?

 

[joe hedge]

For the fastest export, without actually rendering proxies - Yuck!, send the sequence to the Color application.

17 times slower than real time with ATI 4870 graphics card...

http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/mcurtis/story/native_red_render_speeds_in_new_color_15/

Color 1.5 is less hassle for a newbie than trying to relink files?

 

[Bert Patroons]

Hi, first of all thanks for the reply's.

The reason I just need the raw image is that it is all green screen.
The 2K file will go to another facility. They will do the key, animations, ... .

Some new questions:
- If I just reconnect everything to the "_L"-proxy (2K), and then export it, will this be of less quality than if I transcode it first?

- If I would use the log and transfer method, is there a way to select the files that I used, or do I have to look in my sequence and select them manually. That's a lot of work if you ask me...
Also, it will have to transcode each entire shot. With the proxy-relinking method, I just have to render the bit I used... Won't that be faster?


Thanks again!

 

[Jesse Korosi]

One option may be to use Monkey Extract.
Export an EDL and use that to render out only what was used within your edit. You can export DPX frames, Q.T's or TIFF sequences using the Default setting or the Metadata for your look.
Not sure about the render time in comparison to the other options provided though?

Cheers,
Jesse Korosi

 

[David Battistella]

Bert.

Manually.

1. Import the folders with all of the proxies into FCP.
2. Go to the first frame of the first shot hit match frame.
3. Copy the timecode from the Viewer window.
4. load the F proxie of the same shot into the viewer (use option F to find the orginal M proxie and the F proxie should be in the same folder.
5. paste the timecode into the viewer window on with the F proxie loaded.
6. hit replace in the Canvas window.
You've just replaced the proxie.

Do this with all the shots.

Change your sequence settings to 2K.

Go to the first shot. Adjust the motion tab to have it fit the frame.
Select the shot.
hit copy.
select all of the shots.
right click on the shot and select paste attributes and check motion.

There...a 2K sequence. Render it out as a QT file.

David

 

[Michael Romano]

17 times slower than real time with ATI 4870 graphics card...

http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/mcurtis/story/native_red_render_speeds_in_new_color_15/

Color 1.5 is less hassle for a newbie than trying to relink files?

Slow, maybe, but still better than directly rendering camera generated proxies from FCP right? Even at a large size that output is pretty ugly, especially for green screen work. In the article you linked you can find this:

"It (Color 1.5) also does a full resolution, high quality debayer, which is the highest quality way to do this - better than the half res solution that Final Cut Pro utilizes"

Read on into the comments and it seems that it might not be as slow as the original post stated:

"Just this morning I rendered a 22min RED project (ingested as RED QuckTimes) 4k 16:9 23.98 to ProRes 4x4 1920x1080 the entire process took 4:56 min"

For a true newbie, not that Bert necessarily is one, I thought the Color route would be more intuitive and certainly higher quality. An EDL workflow is obviously preferred but it is what it is.

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Also, Bert:
If going to green screen, make sure to use ProRes4444, its much better for green screen work.