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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Old school... new color science...

Stephen Strangways said:
It was REDCODE, according to the man himself:
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For clarity... Frankie only shot uncompressed RAW. For the Milk Girls presentations, we processed the uncompressed images through a prototype "REDCODE" generator... which later transitioned to in-camera. Everything people saw was REDCODE.

Jim
 
Jesper Sichlau said:
I'm still waiting to see "Crossing the Line".
But apparantly you have to be at places that are half way around the globe...
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Me too.

There is probably some stupid actors union royalty thing, or E&O insurance thing, or a DGA contract. Whatever it is, I hope it becomes irrelevant with time and Jim can finally post it.
 
Zach Gray said:
Me too.

There is probably some stupid actors union royalty thing, or E&O insurance thing, or a DGA contract. Whatever it is, I hope it becomes irrelevant with time and Jim can finally post it.
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Well, youtube have 4K... (whistle, whistle)
 
Wow. That does seem like an eternity ago. Thanks for improving the past (again). All we had to do was believe that Red would change the rules. We were right and so it goes.
 
Jannard said:
For clarity... Frankie only shot uncompressed RAW. For the Milk Girls presentations, we processed the uncompressed images through a prototype "REDCODE" generator... which later transitioned to in-camera. Everything people saw was REDCODE.

Jim
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When Rob came on board he started helping me with the software prototype of REDCODE. I eventually came up with a little app (that I dug up the other day to allow us to re-process some of these early files). It would batch convert Frankie uncompressed files into REDCODE and back again.

Originally we used the granddaddy of RED Alert! to process the Frankie files into the movies you've seen, and it would either work from the original Frankie files or from the REDCODE files. For the Milk Girls demo it came from the REDCODE files.

I think it's great that these original software prototype files still work great today and can be ran through and take advantage of the new colour science just as if they'd been shot yesterday

Graeme
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Now to really show off--how about comparing to the original shipping color science and gamma back before build 21, 17 etc.. ;)
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Those originals have got to be floating around the web somewhere. That would be cool to see.

EDIT: Dug around, can't find it anywhere on my computer. This is all I could find online. All the links seem broken to the frame that matches Jim's post.

milkC2k-709957.jpg


OLD color from 2008

Link to Highres

And a crappy jpg of the wide.
 
You could always "get there" with the older color science. It was just a bit more work. The new color science makes it easy.

Jim
 
Just got back...

Just got back...

From seeing Fair Game.

Being former intel it was an interesting movie.

Seeing the RED logo saying "Shot on Red" was priceless.

Seeing those first Milk shoots in the Nuart was quite priceless to.


It's almost disorienting really to think about the time between sitting there in Santa Monica, and then sitting in the Theatre tonight and seeing that logo creep up at the end.


Man how time rocketed by... glad we got such an awesome piece of equipment to capture the moment.

thanks RED :mellow:
 
To give some behind the scenes credit for this shoot... the crew is an overlooked component sometimes, but I thought this was a good time to give them some credit, they are all from Orange County, CA ...

Skipper Smith on Make-up
Shelia Golden on Props
They both shared wardrobe duties on Milk Girls
The shoot was initially was refereed to as "Rossie the Riveter" we didn't know the milk aspect until the props gal had those great bottles to drink from.

Craig "Burnie" Burns supplied Grip and Electric - HMI's and Grip equipment.
http://burniesgripandlighting.com/HomeBGL.html
 
Brian Ferguson said:
To give some behind the scenes credit for this shoot... the crew is an overlooked component sometimes, but I thought this was a good time to give them some credit, they are all from Orange County, CA ...

Skipper Smith on Make-up
Shelia Golden on Props
They both shared wardrobe duties on Milk Girls
The shoot was initially was refereed to as "Rossie the Riveter" we didn't know the milk aspect until the props gal had those great bottles to drink from.

Craig "Burnie" Burns supplied Grip and Electric - HMI's and Grip equipment.
http://burniesgripandlighting.com/HomeBGL.html
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Cudos to the wonderful folk behind the "milk Ladies", job well done. Its a Red image that will forever stay with us.
 
Brian Ferguson said:
To give some behind the scenes credit for this shoot... the crew is an overlooked component sometimes, but I thought this was a good time to give them some credit, they are all from Orange County, CA ...

Skipper Smith on Make-up
Shelia Golden on Props
They both shared wardrobe duties on Milk Girls
The shoot was initially was refereed to as "Rossie the Riveter" we didn't know the milk aspect until the props gal had those great bottles to drink from.

Craig "Burnie" Burns supplied Grip and Electric - HMI's and Grip equipment.
http://burniesgripandlighting.com/HomeBGL.html
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cool. I always like the behind the scenes stories...
 
This reminds me the story of Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 satellites.
http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/didyouknow.html

When they launched these two satellites in 1977 the on board equipment didn’t have ability to communicate with Earth much further than Neptune that was reached in year 1989.

However thanks to fully programmable devices on board of these satellites and progress in the communication technology the key communication subcomponents were reprogrammed implementing new inventions unknown at the time when satellites were created, increasing its communication range. Recently 33 years of progress in spread spectrum transmission and other trick, extended the communication distance with Voyagers even further.

When Voyagers were launched into the space in 1977 its creators didn’t have even slightest idea how it would be possible to keep communication with it that far. They were not aware of about to happen revolution in digital signal processing and other inventions that enabled us to process such weak tiny signals.

Who knows what Graeme will invent if he will get bit more time on his hands as concerning the REDRAW processing.

Taking out another 5 stops of noise using temporal information contained in subsequent frames?

Maybe highlight recovery using extrapolation of tiny changes of light in surrounding areas of blown out pixels in overexposed areas?

Only time will show.
 
Andrew said:
This reminds me the story of Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 satellites.
http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/didyouknow.html

When they launched these two satellites in 1977 the on board equipment didn’t have ability to communicate with Earth much further than Neptune that was reached in year 1989.

However thanks to fully programmable devices on board of these satellites and progress in the communication technology the key communication subcomponents were reprogrammed implementing new inventions unknown at the time when satellites were created, increasing its communication range. Recently 33 years of progress in spread spectrum transmission and other trick, extended the communication distance with Voyagers even further.

When Voyagers were launched into the space in 1977 its creators didn’t have even slightest idea how it would be possible to keep communication with it that far. They were not aware of about to happen revolution in digital signal processing and other inventions that enabled us to process such weak tiny signals.
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To complete your story, someday Voyager will return as V_y_ge_ (pronounced "Vija") and will threaten earth or the Enterprise or Captain Kirk (I'm vague on this...quite a few decades since I watched the episode).

Moral of story?.... I... I'm not sure.
 
uh...

uh...

"Originally Posted by Andrew
Son, you have to have a faith.....................
Heh, heh,

Good adwice."


NERDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

chuckles:rofl:


KHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!
 
Brian Ferguson said:
To give some behind the scenes credit for this shoot... the crew is an overlooked component sometimes, but I thought this was a good time to give them some credit, they are all from Orange County, CA ...

Skipper Smith on Make-up
Shelia Golden on Props
They both shared wardrobe duties on Milk Girls
The shoot was initially was refereed to as "Rossie the Riveter" we didn't know the milk aspect until the props gal had those great bottles to drink from.

Craig "Burnie" Burns supplied Grip and Electric - HMI's and Grip equipment.
http://burniesgripandlighting.com/HomeBGL.html
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So who were the actual milk girls? 15 years from now when we're having a RED trivia contest at NAB, this kind of stuff is going to be important!
 
Graeme Nattress said:
When Rob came on board he started helping me with the software prototype of REDCODE. I eventually came up with a little app (that I dug up the other day to allow us to re-process some of these early files). It would batch convert Frankie uncompressed files into REDCODE and back again.

Originally we used the granddaddy of RED Alert! to process the Frankie files into the movies you've seen, and it would either work from the original Frankie files or from the REDCODE files. For the Milk Girls demo it came from the REDCODE files.

I think it's great that these original software prototype files still work great today and can be ran through and take advantage of the new colour science just as if they'd been shot yesterday

Graeme
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So my D3 deck is broken, think you could get the footage off the tape for me? It's digital... :wink5:

Seriously, it is great that we can reach back and read and even upgrade all of that early footage. Keep up the good work!
 
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