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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Offloading Red Footage via ipad3 and thunderbolt

I must add now something that I know long ago that the future of cinema display is iPad 1080p (maybe then in a far future also 4K :w00t: iPad), also can have 3D, can run converting, editing, grading, etc apps,....

Actually a lot of professional didn't recognize that FCP X was build for an iPadX.

It's nos so easy for people like that to except fast changes like this:

Free Resolve Lite for grading, affordable HD acquisition (DSLR and similar small cameras, "everyone is a cinematographer" today's shooter attitude, etc,...

RED will fit with Scarlet Fixed and EPIC-S in that big new game of the future market for movie making made by the MASSES of mix from a sort of crap, mediocre and also some genius future filmmakers :w00t:.
 
We're all hoping that RED has already started the process of changing the RED Station to include the Thunderbolt port, so that should make things much faster for everyone.
 
Mark Phelan said:
We're all hoping that RED has already started the process of changing the RED Station to include the Thunderbolt port, so that should make things much faster for everyone.
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wouldn't really help that much, red ssd's are 3g sata based. their maximum possible read speeds would be 300 mb/sec, and they are rated at a little slower than that. you'd get identical offload time with thunderbolt as you would esata. thunderbolt shines with pci expansion, and large raids that can have read and write speeds beyond conventional 6g esata.
 
4K in the size of an Ipad isn't really very good since the resolution is impossible for the high to see. But IF there was such a thing then I rather see a dedicated hand held field monitor with 10-bit color at 2K resolution. Right now, many of the professional monitors at the directors table is 720p, which isn't enough for some shots.

Tom.Wong said:
wouldn't really help that much, red ssd's are 3g sata based. their maximum possible read speeds would be 300 mb/sec, and they are rated at a little slower than that. you'd get identical offload time with thunderbolt as you would esata. thunderbolt shines with pci expansion, and large raids that can have read and write speeds beyond conventional 6g esata.
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Which I can confirm with my SATA3 setup.

People don't really understand thunderbolt or bandwidth for that matter. Yes, it's around 10 gb/s, but a regular hard drive at 7200 rpm can only reach around 0,8 gb/s, a RAID setup might reach 6 gb/s. You need SSD's in a big RAID to reach the thunderbolt highest and for what purpose?

Know for what you are gonna use it before thinking you want it.
 
Actually Lacie's "little" big disk with SSD raid has been clocked to around 800MB/s read on thunderbolt - so it's not that bad :). Although the storage volume is doubtfully that large. The good thing with thunderbolt will be the daisy chain and the possibility of running extra monitor - tried that already and is beautiful.

I would say that a nice mobile set up is a 12TB Promise pegasus raid - a rocket through an expansion via the xpress card 34 slot and maybe even daisy chain the thunderbolt raid with a monitor.... nice little set up... more then sufficient for field work
 
LaCie's Little Big Disk Thunderbolt system hasn't been clocked at anything... To my knowledge, no final production unit has been shown to anyone. The 800MB/s is the maximum throughput per TB channel. I suppose it could do it *IF* they are using dual 6Gbps SATA interfaces internally and couple it with two of the fastest SSD's on the planet. Then it might be able to pull it off for read bursts, maybe. Or they could be going with a proprietary SSD inside, such as the larger ones that currently connect directly to a PCIe slot. Then they could theoretically get pretty fast performance, but it would negate the possibility of using off the shelf SSD units or anything an end user could replace, not that such an approach would be a bad thing. ...The latter solution would be quite expensive.

The 12TB (6-bay) Promise RAID is not what I call "mobile". Yeah, you can put it on a cart.... You can put a lot bigger and more robust solutions on a cart and be just as mobile too...

Tom is right above about RED SSD's having a 3Gbps interface. IMO, the better solution here is a ThunderBolt to 3x eSATA adapter.

Of course, I wouldn't mind a TB interface on a RED Station SSD module. Self-powered, one cable, simple, fast. But then what? I still have to chain it to something else to offload too and that TB port can't power that many devices. So back to using supplementary power.
 
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The problem with that Promise review is there were no real-world performance stress tests done. It's nice Apple sent over a 15" MBP, but they should've sent over an iMac and two RAID boxes and let someone really test the crap out of it.

As for the iPad HD thing... I guess we'll see. Most sources are indicating a huge ramp in parts ordering for the current iPad2 (think Holiday shopping). I don't doubt we'll soon see an updated iPad with a higher resolution screen, but it will probably come early next year, near the annual update mark again. iPad 2 is still selling like hotcakes, why change it up now? The competition is so far behind in terms of apps availability and hardware finesse, I don't see the point in fluffing only 4 to 6 months after the last re-design. Of course, we don't know... And as a counter perspective, if Apple can buff the GPU and quadruple the number of pixels while keeping the price point the same, maybe they should do it... Perhaps keep the current iPad 2 as well and cut its price by $100 or so.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
The problem with that Promise review is there were no real-world performance stress tests done. It's nice Apple sent over a 15" MBP, but they should've sent over an iMac and two RAID boxes and let someone really test the crap out of it.

As for the iPad HD thing... I guess we'll see. Most sources are indicating a huge ramp in parts ordering for the current iPad2 (think Holiday shopping). I don't doubt we'll soon see an updated iPad with a higher resolution screen, but it will probably come early next year, near the annual update mark again. iPad 2 is still selling like hotcakes, why change it up now? The competition is so far behind in terms of apps availability and hardware finesse, I don't see the point in fluffing only 4 to 6 months after the last re-design. Of course, we don't know... And as a counter perspective, if Apple can buff the GPU and quadruple the number of pixels while keeping the price point the same, maybe they should do it... Perhaps keep the current iPad 2 as well and cut its price by $100 or so.
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the answer is obvious Jeff, to make the customer feel guilty for not having an ipad with a higher res screen! I think apple are like a set of old fashioned parents. masters of guilt with anything you do... hehe
 
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