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November 13th... prep.

You may do what you want, but here the question is not if it could be useful or not - of course someone could find it useful. The question is what the trade off would be. I can't think of any valuable trade-off. Since, I think, in order to achieve a very high speed, the resolution would decrease too much.
I don't want to pay many times the money to have an incredibly faster Scarlet or for a bigger body JUST for that reason. I'd rather do for extra quality or versatility but, if I'll ever need to make an innatural scene at slow motion, I'd rent a specialistic camera.
For almost 100% of the times, I don't even think about slow motion.
Maybe it's just me, but for telling the truth, I believe I shuold rather try to make honest images, possibily like we see with the eyes. "Create" is world too big for me. I think artists should be modest enough to avoid that world when they talk about themselves and they work (also to be taken a bit seriously rather than a silly worthless idol). When I see some artist claiming he has "created" something, I normally see the usual rubbish of the day before, perhaps made with a different filter this time.
Scarlett will certainly be packed full of extremely good features, but 1000fps is certainly the last one I would look for, at least for now.
With a given bandwidth, I'd rather have 1 megapixel more, just for being able to crop more, plus anything else you Red Team would like to put in the machine.
Originally Posted by Jannard
Just curious... what the heck would you do with 1000fps?

Jim

Capture a speeding bullet leaving the barrel of a gun. lol.

We all have seen that more than once and everyone knows perfectly how a bullet looks when it leaves the barrel of a gun: it looks innatural, simple, and a stupid piece of metal doing it's stupid job like every other bullet more or less.
Unless you make scientific videos - and there are machines filming at more than 1 million fps as far as I know - it is so boring to repeat this madly slow maechanical show a single time again that I don't want to watch anything containing it anymore. Unless the rest of the film is said to be fantastic and probably made by another director.

Indeed, there are many people obsessed with things, like investigating some aspects of reality beyond normality and certainly goodness. If someone can convince me that there's something inherently good in exploring the material world in the most extreme recesses and the smallest dimensions just as a normal fun, I may change my mind, but for now I thing anything, from having a walk to eating a sandwich, is still a more valuable experience that I can do with my time.

It doesn't mean anything to me. A gun is a gun, and it ends there.
I also quite like guns, but it doen't mean I should be interested in seeing them shoot at slow motion, because they do not become more pleasant things because of that. Rather, this annoys me a bit, it is a sort of fascination with the act of shooting that, bein fire weapons what they are, weapons having nothing to do with heroism in battle, may be the best icon and object, for cinema and anything else.

A butterfly is certainly more beautiful, but here, filming in slow motion could only help me to see it more clearly, since it normally moves so quickly that it's difficult to actually see it's beauty. So here a little artificiality could be forgiven if it helps to materialize a nice aim.
 
The wait was long for the specs.
but
the waiting for having the product in our hands will probably be much longer ...
 
Why not simply use the twixtor program on top of 100+fps to simulate 1000? It would be so slow that the aesthetics would be indistinguishable.

Now for scientific purposes, 1000 is golden. But these are not science cams for the LHC. When I heard the 120-180 quoted for the Scarlet, my jaw dropped.:usd:

I've tried Twixtor many times and very rarely does it work for what I need. The most I can usually get is 2X the frame rate. Lots of warping, artifacts and jumping at higher fps.

Phil
http://www.artbeats.com
 
Jim, Jarred, et al --

I get it, believe me. Pretty much all I deal with most days is Phantom & RED so I know exactly the differences and why one is compromised for the other. There are benefits to both, I just didn't want anyone dismissing the value of one over the other. Some REDusers have an "Us or Them" or "RED conquers all" attitude about these things. There's plenty of room for both.

But hey Jim, 20x the price? More like 7x-10x. Just to be fair. ;-)
 
RED One HS

RED One HS

We need a high speed version of the red one. All it does is 120-1500FPS. RED One HS. Of course it should cost 2 x the RED One price to cover R+D, etc. Then in two more years an Evolution version just like Arri.
 
I've tried Twixtor many times and very rarely does it work for what I need. The most I can usually get is 2X the frame rate. Lots of warping, artifacts and jumping at higher fps.

Phil
http://www.artbeats.com

This was the case with 24p content, but when shot at a higher fps, the frames were similar enough that it worked for simulating much slower speeds.
 
With all these talks about 1000fps, we might see quite a few people here not blown away by the announcement. :)

Please surprise me like how you guys did back in 2006.
 
I am extremely excited about the forthcoming announcements. Looking forward to the new Camera designs, and I am also hoping to see some...

new breakthroughs on the post production / workflow side?
 
Just curious... what the heck would you do with 1000fps?

Jim

Why, I would watch people yawn! or refilm the intro to baywatch. hahaha seriously i think your right. even 120 is pretty amazing.
 
Jannard's post reminds me of this:

"What are you building, Stark?"
"I'm working on something big."
-"Iron Man"
 
Thanks to the Red team for your incredible work. :) I don't think we need 1000fps, as long as we can do as slow as the end of Zabriskie Point or the end of Woyzeck, I'm happy. Anyone knows what speed was used in those two movies?
 
Mitch... I said that's why there is a Photosonics and Phantom. No question there is value having access to that option (although I have no use for it). But there is a price to pay for speed. RED does not believe that providing this option at 20X the price is something our customers need when they can rent that option.

Jim

I remember seeing an article about 2 years ago about a guy, an evangelical Christian, who built his own video camera that shot at thousands of frames per second. He used it to make a religous-based film that was showing locally (Washington DC). He said that he would not sell his cam and would only use the technology to make religious movies. Does anybody recall who this was or what the cam/ technology was called?
 
This was the case with 24p content, but when shot at a higher fps, the frames were similar enough that it worked for simulating much slower speeds.

Sorry to stray off topic, so this is my last Twixtor comment. I rarely shoot 24fps. Sage, I agree in principal with you. If we could do this digitally, I am all for it. My problems with Twixtor involve everything from timelapse on up to high frame rates. There is no way to get 1000fps equilavent from Twixtor unless you are starting at a very clean 500fps with almost no motion blur. Nothing against Twixtor, it has its place but not for this.

Back to Scarlet/Red/Epic, I would be happy with 150 to 200fps at full res. This is what I am used to as it competes directly with Arri 435.

Phil
http://www.artbeats.com
 
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