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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

November 13th... prep.

Jannard said:
I will be very surprised if this is not the single most defining day of RED. The one day in our history that will mark the changing point. Days like this will never be duplicated.
Jim
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Jim, it looks like 13th will be most defining day of cinema, not RED alone.
Looking forward to it.
 
Jannard said:
...That spinning dragster tire was painful to watch...

Jim
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Hahahaha! Wasn't it though?!?? :-)

Anyway, back to Nov. 13 talk.

Any significance to the chosen date?
 
For those of us not living in the US time zone - could you give us a hint as to when would be a good time to be awake during the day?


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I did some work for Phantom back in the day to help them repackage their phantom cameras for the cinema world (and ironically my avatar here was shot with the PH9) so I had few Phantoms for a couple months to play with.. great cameras, but after shooting eggs blowing up and balloons bursting, it got a bit old. Anything over 120fps didnt seem to really fit in a scripted environment, and the novelty wore off pretty quickly. For special applications and creative commercials it is no question a pretty cool tool .. and well worth the day rental when those projects do pop up.
 
Jannard said:
I think I have seen everything shot at 1000fps and I'm bored stiff. Nice effect the 1st time... If you still find it interesting, Photosonics or Phantom. Have fun.
Jim
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I understand your view here Jim but.....

First, the appropriate fps (150 or 1000) totally depends on your event obviously.

Second, I feel like your point of view is from viewing single shots or clips. The reel impact of high speed photography is reaped from the shots that surround it in an edit. Anything at 1000fps going forever will get boring but 1000fps for even 3 seconds can have a massive emotional and aesthetic impact when surrounded by 24fps material. As a director I dream of the day that my RED and rented Phantom are the same camera and 1000 fps is at my disposal without a huge rental and required tech. Plain and simple it expands the cinematic language. Regarding light levels to shoot high fps. How often do we shoot day exteriors? There is plenty of light to shoot 1000fps.

Thirdly,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rNws2Gb7u8

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OsaP4ZEySU&feature=related
 
understand your viewpoint Warren.. but again, showing cars blowing up in super-slow motion is not something "normal" filmmakers would necessarily want to use for story telling.. even for 3 seconds it is awkward when mixed with 24fps ( yes there are some exceptions, as mentioned commercials being one of them )
 
1000 is crazy slow but I can think of many times I've wanted to have 300 or 400.

PS - not to be the more fps, never satisfied guy tonight. Obviously fps is one of my favorite tools. I'm super pumped about the 13th!
 
Jarred Land said:
understand your viewpoint Warren.. but again, showing cars blowing up in super-slow motion is not something "normal" filmmakers would necessarily want to use for story telling.. even for 3 seconds it is awkward when mixed with 24fps ( yes there are some exceptions, as mentioned commercials being one of them )
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I'm fully aware of this....but....you still liked it! Don't lie. I know you did. Part three was just a joke of sorts.

Definitely disagree that it is most often awkward. It could be if not used right but that's like saying timelapes don't fit in. They are used all the time. They are just technically easier to achieve.

Don't get me wrong. the 24fps to 500fps shooting ratio is 1:5,000 but when you have it when it counts. It can be worth a million!
 
HOLLYWOOD SCHMOLLYWOOD said:
1000 is crazy slow but I can think of many times I've wanted to have 300 or 400.

PS - not to be the more fps, never satisfied guy tonight. Obviously fps is one of favorite tools. I'm super pumped about the 13th!
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The special purpose cameras like Phantom cost as much as the do for good reasons. Rolling those high frame rates into a RED would mean adding those cost burdens to a camera when the feature is really only used a very small fraction of a percent compared to the usual 24-120fps rates.
 
HOLLYWOOD SCHMOLLYWOOD said:
I'm fully aware of this....but....you still liked it! Don't lie. I know you did. Part three was just a joke of sorts.
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heh heh heh, yeah, i had alot of fun for a while ( see http://purposelabs.com/ ) .. but quite honestly in the end the tradeoffs for getting that speed really just didn't make sense to try and package everything into a "hybrid" 24/1000fps camera....
 
Deanan said:
The special purpose cameras like Phantom cost as much as the do for good reasons. Rolling those high frame rates into a RED would mean adding those cost burdens to a camera when the feature is really only used a very small fraction of a percent compared to the usual 24-120fps rates.
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For sure.....but as tech progresses it won't be as much of a burden to incorporate.

Don't get me wrong. the 24fps to 500fps shooting ratio is 1:7,000 but when you have it when it counts. It can be worth a million! What would Snatch be with out that one shot of Brad Pitt when he gets leveled? Sure that was well planned and they had the camera to do that that day. But what if an idea like that came to you on set?


I don't want to go on about this. I think we get each other. Again! Super pumped guys! I won't be disapointed.
 
Ayoji said:
And not be able to go on the site! My friends can wait. lol :)
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Don't worry Jarred just bought enough bandwidth for 1,000,000 hits. Thanks Jarred, there's nothing worse then dying to see the new info, but not being able to because you're stuck in traffic.
 
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