Nle Poll

[Rob Mack]

As far as Vegas support for Redcode goes, most of the burden will be on Madison's shoulders. The current version is 8-bit RGB and I'm assuming that's something that will be addressed this fall.

Personally, I'll have a strong need to be able to play and review Red footage in Vegas even though we'll probably be doing our actual editing in PPro. Vegas just has a lighter footprint and does a few things that PPro can't do.

Maybe the more general gist of this is that footage from Red needs to be broadly supported.

Rob Mack

 

[Poi Boy]

I find it very sad that Avid on either platform has such a poor following. I don't get it. I think FCP sales have been boosted by clever marketing more than technical innovation, it's the "have to have" at the moment but if you look at the number of feature films that are cut on Avid compared to FCP, you'll see a different trend. I wonder how long the "in" thing will last.

I wonder how many people that use FCP also bought or will buy an iphone, I'm telling you, clever marketing, that's all it is.

Clever Marketing indeed ! Clever marketing alone doesn't last long, you need great products to back it up. FCP is a great set of tools and the iphone is a near magic device. My guess is that "the in thing" is going to last a very, very long time.
Aloha
-A

 

[Yuval Shrem]

After vigorously and carefully comparing "Final-Cut-Studio 2" To the "Adobe CS3" production package, I believe that for high-end projects that demand high accuracy, the Adobe CS3 package will be more effective. It also offers what Final-Cut Studio doesn't offer yet, which is (1) a completely renderless workflow, in which you can keep making adjustments in the various applications of the package without having to render anything in order to preview it all in real-time on your main timeline, and having to render only once, at the end of the project; and (2) being cross-platform.
It also includes After-Effects, which is a far more accurate compositing tool than motion-2.

I'm just really hoping that working with RED-CODE-RAW materials directly in Premier CS3 will be practical and will not require non-real-time transcoding.

It will be interesting to see how many of the FCP users will see the advantages of Adobe CS3 and will make the switch...

Has anybody else made a thorough comparison and could share their thoughts about it? Am I missing something?

 

[laguun]

2 * discreet
1 * sony xpri
5 * Adobe Premiere
1 * 844/X
1 * FCP

only voted with one voice.
i think if you take larger installation into account, the vote would be pretty different.

 

[Emanuel A.]

Adobe Premiere here.

 

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

Ok I'm very interested in your idea that Adobe might be better than FCP. I've always been a FCP user but I love photoshop of course. How does Adobe handle creating DVD's, encoding off to all kinds of deliverable formats, and finishing the sound. Also can Adobe match apple's Colour app?

 

[Kevin Halverson]

The new CS suite of applications is very complete for both color finishing, compositing, post sound and DVD authoring. Now that MAC users have access to the same tool set as PC users, it opens up some very appealing possibilities for cross platform environments. Myself, I have no interest in MAC hardware so I am not a good candidate to comment, but I do know of a number of previously "died in the wool" FCP proponents that are evaluating the new CS suite and are more than a little impressed with its integration and capabilities.

I am fairly certain that Adobe offers a 30 day trial for MACs just as they do for PCs so you can give it a try yourself and see what you think. Given that FCP came form many of the same developers as Premiere, the UI seems to be highly familiar and they have been up and running without any issues. Its always good to have choices and now with the support for Intel based MACs, there is a real option to FCP on MAC hardware. Even if there isn't a large number of convertees, the competition will be good as it inspires improvement.

 

[Jeremy Torrie]

I voted Avid because we have three, and yes we have one brand new FCP system, but I sure don't enjoy it. Currently it is an experiment with MacPro and Aja Kona 3 to see how well we can integrate the FCP workflow for an online scenario for long form HD mastering work. I'm using Automatic Duck to get my sequence out of Avid and into FCP. This is an HD SR project so I certainly could not afford to do what I need to do in Avid...it's WAY too expensive, which is why I raise this point: 4K workflow would have been prohibitevely expensive in the past, and kudos to the Red Team and Apple for working together early on.

I'm a beta tester for Avid, and there have been people axed from the bloated company, which means some really good people are likely gone. I have not heard any discussion yet in new beta releases over integrating Red Cine or any other resolution on the MC software or Xpro level.

I know I really dislike having to go in and out of programs all the time to do what we need to do for delivery, and if we have to start with bringing our Red picture and sound into FCP and exporting to Avid to edit and perform the assembly, that will require someone with a lot of patience and media management skills.

 

[Joe Carney]

As far as Vegas support for Redcode goes, most of the burden will be on Madison's shoulders. The current version is 8-bit RGB and I'm assuming that's something that will be addressed this fall.

Personally, I'll have a strong need to be able to play and review Red footage in Vegas even though we'll probably be doing our actual editing in PPro. Vegas just has a lighter footprint and does a few things that PPro can't do.

Maybe the more general gist of this is that footage from Red needs to be broadly supported.

Rob Mack

Yes, on Madisons shoulders, and that is exactly what worries me. The way they communicate with their "non large corporate user base" has gone to sh#t since Sony took over. There is an old truism that predates the tech world by hundreds of years...Ignore your customers and they will go away.
But hey , if you're ENG or WEVA maybe the story is different.

 

[Yuval Shrem]

I know I really dislike having to go in and out of programs all the time to do what we need to do for delivery, and if we have to start with bringing our Red picture and sound into FCP and exporting to Avid to edit and perform the assembly, that will require someone with a lot of patience and media management skills.

Which is exactly the reason I think the Adobe CS3 workflow will be ideal, as you never have to import, export, convert, conform or render anything until you're done with the project and ready to deliver, then you render it once, and then Encore can take care of rendering everything to all of the various required delivery formats (DVD, Blue-Ray, Cell-phone devices, Flash-video, or any web-format, or high-end delivery codec).

 

[Mark L. Pederson]

I think Adobe is VERY committed to their users, and according to my sources and they are INCREASING market-share on the Premiere product.

I suspect we will see a few "surprises" out of the Adobe camp sooner than later ...

From an INVESTMENT point of view - IMO - buy APPLE hardware - use Boot Camp for cross platform - get off the Avids and get on FCP or PREMIERE PRO -

We are 100% Final Cut Studio 2 + Scratch and various specialty VFX software - but I have HUGE respect for Adobe software - they will keep Apple on their toes in 2008 - just get off the AVIDs ... (can't wait for the back-lash on this one heheheheh)