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Nikon Vs Canon

What do you say Evin ? Think you can pick them in a blind test ?
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Evin Grant said:
This may surprise you Sanjin, but I agree with you completely. I was a Leica M shooter until recently (I Can't afford an M8 and the Red 1) and have always been a huge fan of Leitz glass. It's mostly ust a cost issue, it's going to to cost just as much to buy Leica glass for your Red as it would be to buy Red's lenses. However I may have a Leica M mount made for my Red anyway.

But let's get back to the question at hand Nikon Vs. Canon. The reality we can all accept is that both companies make porfessional level lenses that will produce sharp results. But there are real differences in their philosophys. Canon has often prefered to get the newest technology out into the market place even if it's not particularly mature. Nikon has been more conservative, and in my opinion thoughtfull approach. This has favored the overall quality of thier lenses and UI. Conversely it has benefitted Canon in their hyper speed sensor develpment. As well as a IS(VR) and a bunch of other technologies both useful and not that Canon has developed over the past few years. It's interesting but in a real way Nikon's hiatorical dominance of the 35mm SLR market was what forced Canon to become a technological leader in so many other avenues. Which is what gives it such an edge in the new digital era. Nikon started life as "Nippon Kugako" of Tokyo Optical house and has always been at it's heart an optics company. The first Canon camera had a Nikon lens! My own bias toward Nikkors has a history as well. My first good camera was a Canon AE-1. I HATED it! It was hard to use and broke three times before I bought my second camera, the Nikon 8008s with a 85mm f1.8 lens. It's probably not fair to compare a 1970's era Canon 50mm cheapie FD lens to a 1990's era AF Nikkor but I was hooked (As Sanjin put's it). Since then I've shot with lenses from just about every optic house imaginable and I still find Nikkors to be the best price/performance deal out there. I'm very fond of Zeiss (Hasselblad) and Pentax (especially the 6x7cm) as well as the aformentioned Leica which is my #1 choice if it was a choice finacially. I even bought a Canon 5D with some faster Canon lenses when it first came out, it was going to be my low light kit, but I just couldn't get into it. I much prefered my D2x and 28mm f1.4 despite the higher noise. It just came down to charachter. I have seen beautiful work with Canon equipment but I'm a glass-a-holic and I think Canon's strength is really it's sensors not it's lenses. I'm sure many of you will disagree, but that's what's great about a public forum.

Here is my all time greatest hit list of optics houses (Just my overall preference based on experience):
#1 Leica
#2 Goerz
#3 Zeiss/Cooke (Tie)
#4 Nikon
#5 Fujinon
#6 Olympus
#7 Rodenstock
#8 Schneider
#9 Kern
#10 Angenioux
#11 Pentax
#12 Voigtlander/Cosina/Zeiss ZF
#13 Canon
#14 Minolta
#15 Lomo
#16 Tokina
#17 Sigma
#18 Tamron
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Evin thanks for a great reply. I thought you would be a bit angry, but not and you gave us a nice explanation. By the way if I think about lens glass the first I have Leica in my mind. You are right and it is expensive. Also I cannot afford Leica M8 at the moment but looking to get it in future with a hope that till then Leica could worked out the bug that "M8 remains with the wake-up from sleep mode." (link).

One more reference to the reality >> Canon is the most popular camera+glass from the professional landscape photographers like >>
The Luminous Landscape>>Quote:"In The Bag:
Of the dozen photographers on the trip, seven used Canon gear, four used Nikon, and one used a Sony A100." (Link)
 
lomo at #15?.. are you nuts, my friend?

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worst, next minolta.. worst than that.. only to have tokina, sigma and tamron as the next ones..
 
KETCH ROSSI said:
CAs Birger engeniring has come out with a adaptor it is now possible to use Canon with RED, but the price I believe will be a massive workflow slodown as you have to controll the lens electronic from a separate device via computer,

Ciao

KETCH ROSSI
www.KETCHFRAME.com
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While technically the control requires a computer, it is a very simple one and will be built in to a simple control using either knobs or controlled from a follow focus knob or something like the RED control handle shown at NAB.
 
If you would have Birger RED adapter for Canon EOS then you could attach Leica-R to Canon EOS adapter
and MANUALLY use one of the worlds best still lenses available ever
LEICA-R lenses covers the extensive range of focal lengths from 15 mm to 800 mm, and, with the LEICA APO-EXTENDER-R 2x even up to 1,600 mm.
The Leica-R to Canon EOS adapter can be found on the right side at the picture below.

canon_eos_adapters.jpg


Learn more about Leica -R lenses at
Link>>http://www.leica-camera.us/photography/r_system/lenses/
 
Poi Boy said:
What do you say Evin ? Think you can pick them in a blind test ?
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Leica definately, Nikon most of the time (At least from Canon) and usually Zeiss but it has alot to do with how much PP is done, which is almost always these days.
 
Sorry Evin, I have high regard for you but that is hard for me to believe.
Aloha
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Poi Boy said:
Sorry Evin, I have high regard for you but that is hard for me to believe.
Aloha
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Let's be clear, I'm talking about same subject, same focal length side by side comparisons with a significant file or print size to see some real detail, both tonal and sharpness. I've been shooting these lenses for 15 years, and I've had extensive experience in testing lenses and photo sensitive materials at Brooks. I don't generally toot my own horn but I do have a BA in advertising photography. I made a living for five years shooting professional still photography (I still do a little) and it's my responibility to sense and control the subtleties that define the look and feel of my work. So I feel very comfortable saying that I can see the diffrence, and most pro photographers would say the same, just as many DPs will tell you that they could see the difference between S4s and Master Primes.
E.
 
Yes I too have made my living from advertising photography since 1984. It would be very difficult to do a proper comparison but I would be surprised if anyone could consistently pick them correctly.I would agree on cine lenses because they have far more distinct differences.
Aloha
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Nice can of worms you just opened Evin! Surely anybody who's ever clicked a shutter can disagree with some aspect of that list!

So what's the point? Be observant, try many different lenses, find out what you like.

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Matt Uhry.
www.mattuhry.com
 
I agree completely, and that list is just my own personal opinion, some of those optics houses don't even make lenses that will mount on a Red (Goerz).
I know you're a Lomo fan Matt, I really liked the lens in my L-CA compact but since I've never shot any other Lomo lens it's hard to rate it any higher. You may be able to change that. As far as sharpness or quality, all those companies have made great lenses, or they wouldn't be on the list.

BTW I just found a sweet deal on a 58mm f1.2 Noct Nikkor, I never thought I'd actually pull the trigger on one but this deal and the crazy prices that lens is commanding on E-bay made it a no brainer. I'll try to get a review up before I leave for SC on Sunday.
 
Evin Grant said:
BTW I just found a sweet deal on a 58mm f1.2 Noct Nikkor, I never thought I'd actually pull the trigger on one but this deal and the crazy prices that lens is commanding on E-bay made it a no brainer. I'll try to get a review up before I leave for SC on Sunday.
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WOW, that's great Evin. I remember the prices we were throwing around at NAB..... So I know you got sweet deal. Couldn't happen to nicer or more deserving artist.

But I'm still jealous....
 
Evin Grant said:
Leica definately, Nikon most of the time (At least from Canon) and usually Zeiss but it has alot to do with how much PP is done, which is almost always these days.
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PP?

Please, take as granted that you have a wide auditorium, Evin. I'm a producer not a photographer.
 
Evin Grant said:
I just found a sweet deal on a 58mm f1.2 Noct Nikkor, I never thought I'd actually pull the trigger on one but this deal and the crazy prices that lens is commanding on E-bay made it a no brainer. I'll try to get a review up before I leave for SC on Sunday.
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Wow, the elusive 58mm f1.2 Noct Nikkor from the Himalayas. I gots to get mee hands on one of those...I can't wait 'till you post some shots:biggrin:
 
Stephen Williams said:
Post Production
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AhAhAh! In the real world outside, it's known by a different term ('Post' about far more than PP; at least at my own). "Post" here has a different meaning. AhAhhAh!

****Edit: Now I wonder what the hell does SC mean? Himalayas?
 
Mr. White said:
AhAhAh! In the real world outside, it's known by a different term ('Post' about far more than PP; at least at my own). "Post" here has a different meaning. AhAhhAh!

****Edit: Now I wonder what the hell does SC mean? Himalayas?
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Mr., I think most of the posts on this forum are like Instant Messages between friends, because they know each other personally and have like, a private language that they understand because they know each other personally. I for one just discard anything that I can't figure out and concentrate on what I can. They really are knowledgeable people and occasionally you get some useful information out of them. :detective2:

Mr., (may I call you Mr.?) This is just my take on it. You may see things differently.
 
One other point for the Birger EOS, supposed to support the lens stabilizing. Would be nice to smooth up some hand held and take out those little bumps in the badly built dance floor.
 
Birger and Canon with Image stabilization

Birger and Canon with Image stabilization

tj williams said:
One other point for the Birger EOS, supposed to support the lens stabilizing. Would be nice to smooth up some hand held and take out those little bumps in the badly built dance floor.
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Image stabilization is a really important point as it is the one area (besides price) that the canon option really beats the cine lenses from zeiss, cooke, etc. - as far as I know (i'm a video guy) they don't offer anything like it, and if you've used IS on a long tele it is very impressive, like having the old Gyrozoom but 1/25 the price.
 
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