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Nikon D3s with 1080p rumored

Call me when it's got something better than H264, AVCHD, etc, and at least 48fps.
 
What about this RAW module rumored by Canon- that would help a lot. But is there a possible way for this to work with the 5D and 7D or is the codec hardwired in?

Noah
 
Noah Kadner said:
What about this RAW module rumored by Canon- that would help a lot. But is there a possible way for this to work with the 5D and 7D or is the codec hardwired in?

Noah
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I asked my informant whether there were any updates about this RAW module, and he's still waiting to hear. I'm beginning to think he may have only gotten half the story. I think the Canon RAW recorder is real, but perhaps it will only work with more advanced (Digic V?) protoype cameras. That might be what this field testing is all about.

To me, all of these DSLR cameras now are nonsense until they can do RAW. It only takes one or two times of having some epic shots ruined by crummy codecs and half-ass in-camera downsampling methods before you stop shooting important video altogether on them.
 
Yeah it is the main limiting factor now that frame rates and manual controls have started to get the love in the 7D.

Noah
 
Yes but the portability and power of these small guys is incredible. Even with their crappy codecs.
 
I echo Tom.

Unless its RAW, this is all academic. Just pick up a 7D that does that already for cheaper..

If Nikon released Mjpeg2000 RAW, then we'd be talking...
 
Tom L said:
It only takes one or two times of having some epic shots ruined by crummy codecs and half-ass in-camera downsampling methods before you stop shooting important video altogether on them.
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That's why we have RED and will upgrade to Epic. But how many epic shots will it take to justify having a 7d or the like? - which is practical to have with you or carry around almost all the time - a lot more than an epic. I can't see taking my epic in the car everywhere I go, even with insurance $30K doesn't seem smart to leave in the car all the time. Seems like 1 or 2 epic shots might justify $1700. Size and low cost means it is there a lot more.
 
Michael, I used to think and post the same arguments you are saying. Trust me, I understand where you are coming from. I just think, in the end, these cameras really do not hold up at 1080p. They are 720p cameras at best, and prone to artifacting that can ruin some shots.

The best way to illustrate this is an idea Graeme posted about. Take your 7D and shoot RAW timelapse of 240 frames, to give you 10 seconds of video. Use AE to post produce the image and do a 1080p render in a high-quality intermediate codec. Now drop that 1080p render into a 1080p timeline in your NLE. Finally, put your 7D H264 "1080p" clip into the same timeline and render it out. The HD footage you shot on the 7D will be BLOWN AWAY by the RAW 18mp still shots you strung together. It's not even close.

For serious work, the goal of any digital cinema camera should be to produce frames as stunning as a still camera, IMO.
 
Yes, Tom is correct. Actually almost any decent Nikon or Canon that can shoot time-lapse frames will blow away even most HD cameras.
Case in point. I had a friend who shoots with an HVX. He was shooting timelapses with it but needed some night shots with cars and the streaky light effect. He bought 2 clips from me that were shot Nikon D200 in RAW and processed in AE. He was struck with the quality difference between HVX and DSLR. He is wants me to train him now using a DSLR to shoot timelapse.
 
Tom L said:
The best way to illustrate this is an idea Graeme posted about. Take your 7D and shoot RAW timelapse of 240 frames, to give you 10 seconds of video. Use AE to post produce the image and do a 1080p render in a high-quality intermediate codec. Now drop that 1080p render into a 1080p timeline in your NLE. Finally, put your 7D H264 "1080p" clip into the same timeline and render it out. The HD footage you shot on the 7D will be BLOWN AWAY by the RAW 18mp still shots you strung together. It's not even close.

For serious work, the goal of any digital cinema camera should be to produce frames as stunning as a still camera, IMO.
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But wouldn't you expect the 7D timelapse to be significantly better than REDONE timelapse as well? You would be talking TRUE RAW uncompressed 18 megapixel images vs. the RED 8.3 megapixel images heavily compressed.
 
Michael Hastings said:
But wouldn't you expect the 7D timelapse to be significantly better than REDONE timelapse as well? You would be talking TRUE RAW uncompressed 18 megapixel images vs. the RED 8.3 megapixel images heavily compressed.
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I thought I had already responded to this but guess the post didn't go through.

Yes, FF35 5d2 RAW 5.6K 14-bit timelapse footage will smoke any R1 footage in terms of image quality.
 
Even as we speak 5D2 RAW timelapse is being acquired to mix with 15-perf IMAX on several major projects. 5D2 RAW even smokes the 8k scan of 65mm on Baraka. Maybe not DR, but resolution wise, 5.6 RAW FF is jaw-dropping.
 
a nikon camera release never seems that exciting anymore. video wise, canon just has the upper hand. nikon has never had a dedicated video department. canon has the resources of those departments that have worked on a great deal of digital video cameras to help them with a lot of issues VDSLR's typically have. Panasonic is on the reverse end with the gh1 making good to very good video, but the still just lack. canon literally has the resources of the best of both worlds and they listen. the cameras get so much better by ever release.

even if the nikon d3s has lots of bells and whistles i honestly think canon will come out with something right after that destroys it in the long run.
 
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