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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Nexto - CF backup on the go

Has anyone come up with the right combination of settings to use with Hyperdrive to achieve decent transfer speeds and some verification?
 
All the verification speeds on the Hyperdrive are too slow for me unfortunately. If you have to do verification, I would just do the partial... But that almost defeats the purpose.
 
Yeah - we just did a shoot and switched from shooting drive to CF - I was much happier with this system - backing up on the go made me more confident that any data problems would be minor - if anything goes wrong you're down only a few minutes of footage (as opposed to an hours work (or more)) (I've ordered 2 nextos and maybe a third for utter redundancy pending a review) might be the best way to go. Switching out CF cards took no time at all and at the end of the day I could just send one of them to the post house (pretty much the same cost as a hard drive by and large and skips the laptop step). Happy days.
 
What's better:

- the Nexto 2525 (PATA drives)

http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=80000180-1179840782

- or the new Nexto 2700 (SATA drives)

http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=8000070B-1208441113

The 2700 seems to be a faster version dute to the SATA drives. Yet, it is cheaper. Is there something I'm not getting here? I see you can download CF cards to the 2700 as well, so is there a catch?

On another note, I've tested a MacBook Pro laptop on set. Battery life is too short, it's a hassle to drag it around (especially a 17' version), open it, verify the full cards, download it to an external drive etc

I think buying two Nextos, or a Nexto and a Hyperdrive (two have two different solutions for backups - for increased security) is the way to go. Fill a CF card up, download it to two Nextos, and move on. At the end of the day and off the set, copy the two Nextos to two drives - in a controlled envirnoment.

I mean, what's the chance of two Nextos crashing the same day? I already eliminated the laptop from the on-set workflow.
 
I was thinking of using the macbook pro for visual verification as well as the nexto's.
what sort of battery life were you getting?
As I guess there is no point in having the laptop unless you copy all data onto it and visually scan it...even thou data reads could be from the nexto's.
 
kenn michael said:
All the verification speeds on the Hyperdrive are too slow for me unfortunately. If you have to do verification, I would just do the partial... But that almost defeats the purpose.
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Is the Nexto faster?
 
YES, the Nexto is faster at copying and it may or may not be faster with verify THAT depends on if you are standing over during the copy process ... the Nexto is a 2 step process
1) you insert card - click COPY ...
2) when it is finished you pull the CF out and the put it bcak in and click VERIFY ..

the hyperdrive does copy & verify automatic = 1 step ....
but even with the nexto being 2 step it is 18-25% faster PROVIDED you are there when it finishes the copy and can reinsert it for the verify ...

i have found that anything less then FULL verify doesn't work (period) ...
 
Been using Nexto's for a few months and they are awesome!
Simple
Fast
Long battery life
Good transfer speed

Keep one or two in the AC kit just in case Mac dies or take with us for run and gun.

Mydigitaldiscount has been great to work with.
 
RED offload workflow to self powered 500GB SATA disk drive - NExtodi

RED offload workflow to self powered 500GB SATA disk drive - NExtodi

Hi Guys an old thread but worth an update for anyone interested in a RED CF card offload to portable selfpowered disk.

A new/updated option for VERY FAST offload from CF cards in the field to a self powered disk storage system that fits in your pocket is now from NEXTTODI. I beleive it may have been posted elsewhere.

Anyway look here - http://www.nextodi.com/en/

THere are two models of enclosure that now:
• have an 3Gbs SATA connector for SATA1 and SATA2 DDMS (laptop types)
• no firewire now (sad for P2 guys but that's how it is)
• mini USB (way too slow compared to the new SATA i/f)
• support to 2TB of internal SATA2 DDMs should one be available anytime soon.

My colleague has a new ND2700 with a 60mm 500GB Samsung SATA2 disk in it. Thats a huge jump in storage capacity form the previous models (the CF ND2525 that were only PATA interfaces on the enclosure internals).

Now here's the cool bits I think to enhance very fast RED footage offload workflows that using cards. instead of offloading directly to a MACBOOKPRO etc a MACBOOK pro etc.in the field )

  1. SATA2 3Gbs external on the enclosure means that you can get a much higher bandwidth from the DISK ENCLOSURE (the NEXTODI ND27xx's using say an express34 SATA card) to a portable laptop like a Macbookpro or similar
  2. the effective DATA transfer speed between the SATA2 DDM and the CARD is at least 2-3 times that of the older PATA disks .. seems to be true such that you can TRANSFER 1GB form the CF CARD to the SATA2 DDM every 35seconds! approx!
  3. and lastly that the effective interface as mentioned above in 1. is at least 3 time faster than FW400 and maybe just under 4 times fast than USB2 (note EFFECTIVE not spec'd)

So despite the lack of a FW400 port as they dropped it, the SATA interface is really fast for these workflows.

FWIW: if you have several CF cards. When one is full:
  • set empty on in RED to contimue shooting
  • take full card and put it into NEXTTODI 27xx that you have strapped to your belt of in your camera bag for one of the CA's to look after. Pressthe 'GO' button on the NEXTPDI and leave it offload the full card at least 4 times faster than USB to a laptop for example
  • now you have TWO instancesif you want it
  • when back at the 'ranch" offload all the footage form the NEXTODI CF ND27xx at effective SATA disk speeds to the workstation/suite storage for usual transfer/import workflow.

ALso a very good option for others not using RED but may be using their aqcuisition gear with HCSD etc cards or even s x s who need this capability but dont have ability to card around laptop.

fwiw
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