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Evin, are there ANY other cine style lenses (by anyone, other than Century rehoused Nikors) that cover FF35 format?
 
GLEN TRACY said:
Evin, are there ANY other cine style lenses (by anyone, other than Century rehoused Nikors) that cover FF35 format?
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I'm not Evin but off the top of my head

RED 300mm
Van Diemen rehoused Leicas
and probably those Olympus Zuiko rehousings sold by Stonecine
 
I strongly believe they are missing the target by $20000.
Few sets as a rental to cover ff35 will do, but not the ideal shooter/owner set.
You don't buy something because of the Name anymore; hopefully times are changing and owning a set of lenses will not be a privilege or status.
 
I played with them on Monday, and they sure looked sweet. I also own a Rouge, and i have the second Rouge on order, so i was very pleasantly surprised that the front element is the same size as the Rouge's, 114mm. That is a great time saver for me, and money saver too, because the expensive Chrosziel adapter i got for the Rouge will work on these also. I don't know that i would get a whole set, for me, i would prefer a partial set, just the ones T2.1 or faster, since the Rouge will cover the rest at T2.8 (one thing i did notice when comparing these to my 30-80 was that the Rouge's wide open T2.8 was a little darker than the new lenses' T2.8, which makes me think that the 2.8 on the Rouge is probably more like a 2.9, or less).
 
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GLEN TRACY said:
Evin, are there ANY other cine style lenses (by anyone, other than Century rehoused Nikors) that cover FF35 format?
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The rehoused 17-35 Century is actually a Canon.

The new Ruby lenses from Focus Optics (they are Nikkors though).

This is a new frontier people, the only cinema camera camera with a FF size gate was the Vista Vision, and guess what, it generally had a Nikon mount and used plain jane Nikkors with focus gears on them. I don't know enough about the Canon K35 set but the longer focal lengths might cover FF.
 
Thanks Evin

for a nice report and I'm sure brand new Zeiss Compact Primes rock! :head_explode:
 
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The wides are too slow. Slowest lens in the set makes your lighting requirement.
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The compensation:

Maybe there are all (even upcoming RED wide primes) too slow in terms of S35 high speed lenses

but upcoming Epic 5K requires bigger lens circle size than S35 that it is about FF35 image circle

and it would come with the sensor that could offer more DR (minimum 2-3 stops more) and more ISO (640).

That would be about the compensation. :head_explode:
 
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Florian Stadler said:
The wides are too slow. Slowest lens in the set makes your lighting requirement.
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This is arguably true for S35, but for full frame 35 the 28mm is equivalent to an 18mm on S35 and that lens is T2.1. So it all depends on your plans.
 
Evin Grant said:
The rehoused 17-35 Century is actually a Canon.

The new Ruby lenses from Focus Optics (they are Nikkors though).

This is a new frontier people, the only cinema camera camera with a FF size gate was the Vista Vision, and guess what, it generally had a Nikon mount and used plain jane Nikkors with focus gears on them. I don't know enough about the Canon K35 set but the longer focal lengths might cover FF.
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Canon K-35s, the 24, 35, 55 and 85 will all cover FF35. The 18mm will cover 5k, with a 34mm image circle.
 
Here's a question: is PL mount equipped to cover FF35? Or is it possible that the mount will cause vignetting, as it was not designed for that format? Or perhaps cutting off of very large bokeh circles (you can see this with fast lenses on crop sensor DSLRs - a linear cutoff to large bokeh near the edge of frame).

And I would agree, the wide end is way too slow. T2-ish is about the slowest acceptable speed for a prime, IMO.

Just thinking: a bonus of this set is that now people with ZFs know what T stop their lenses are wide open...
 
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Here's a question: is PL mount equipped to cover FF35? Or is it possible that the mount will cause vignetting, as it was not designed for that format?
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Been wondering this myself while reading this thread. Can anyone be more specific about the FF35 coverage. Will they cover the full 6K resolution of the FF35 Epic/Scarlet with Monstro sensor using the PL mount? Also, if they don't cover the 6K Monstro with PL mount, why else would one care if a particular lens will "cover" FF35?
 
How about this:

Converted Van Dieman Leicas are in PL mount and cover FF35.
Focus Optics' converted Nikon 14-24 is in PL mount and covers FF35.
Zeiss Compact Primes are in PL mount and cover FF35.
There are other, but that should get the idea across.

It is technically possible to make PL mount lenses that cover the FF35 image circle.
 
You just have to take some of FF35 lenses and "if you know-how" convert them to PL.

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Leica-R APO-Telyt to PL Conversion 280mm f/2.8 and 400mm f/2.8 by P+S Technik.

"Leica-R APO-Telyt to PL Conversion

With the P+S conversion, the modular Leica APO-TELYT-R telephoto system

is now available for use on motion picture cameras having PL mounts."

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Nice lenses but way too rich for my blood. Its kind of nice to know that my Zeiss ZF set has the same glass as a set that Zeiss is selling for $40K and I maybe spent a little over $4K for mine with the Duclos Cine-mod. Very cool that lens manufactures are thinking about FF35 now.
 
Andrew Walker said:
Nice lenses but way too rich for my blood. Its kind of nice to know that my Zeiss ZF set has the same glass as a set that Zeiss is selling for $40K and I maybe spent a little over $4K for mine with the Duclos Cine-mod. Very cool that lens manufactures are thinking about FF35 now.
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$40k is what this new ZF set is going for??? Sheesh, when I heard that Zeiss was slapping PL mounts and some new housings on it I thought they were contending with the <$20k crowd.
 
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5 lenses will be about $28.5K Shawn.

I keep saying this, glass is not the hard part, the barrels are. These barrels are kick ass and for those that have projects that require fast paced precision focus pulling day in and day out the price of those barrels is negligible. Especially if we're talking about full frame 6K photography, you need even more marks and more precise pulls and better mechanics.
 
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