new sensor for RED ONE

[Miltos Pilalitos]

Tungsten lighting is a dying breed. It is extremely inefficient, extremely hot

Good points.

 

[amrrahmy]

yeah, go into the light.

 

[Justin McAleece]

but extremely cheap!

 

[Stephen Pruitt]

Actually, you can buy nice kino-flo-esque lights for less than nice used ARRI fresnels. I know. I've done it. And the soft lights are just winners all around.

Stephen

 

[Álex Montoya]

My guess is the other. With cameras becoming more and more sensitive and with increasing DR, lighting interiors with almost just available light is becoming a clear trend.

 

[Rob_K]

IMHO tungsten lights have the best color rendition of the man made units. HMI's are expensive, involve more parts (Do you really want to haul around ballasts for every unit used in a big night interior?) are non-contiguous spectrum and can be finicky. They take longer to set up, and require some warm-up time before you can shoot. Kinos are limited use and come in all flavors of color temps, so they should be agnostic for this conversation.

With a ~320 asa medium it is much easier to lose 2/3 of a stop by putting on an 85 filter in the sun than to lose ~2 stops by putting on an 80a in interior situations.

That said, it's all a moot point for the reasons Graeme pointed out.

 

[Stephen Pruitt]

Rob, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. We have a number of very high CRI fluorescent fixtures and use them indoors all the time (on virtually every daylight indoor shot in our film). We simply could not have shot our film without those fixtures, even in the brightest of daylight, as they were essential to provide fill and accents. And they were all 5500K. Indeed, I'm buying more of 'em as soon as I can. We found it impossible to get enough light into our interiors (even using bounce cards) to avoid noise in our shots. (I loathe video noise.)

Stephen

 

[hanselblat]

maybe I'm f.cking ants here, as the dutch say, but am I correct in thinking you should treat the current Red sensor with 5000K, which means that if you use tungsten you should use an 80b or 80c filter on the camera?

 

[Martin Jäger]

sorry for splitting hairs

sorry for splitting hairs

How bout' a native 4400K sensor equal distance from tungsten and daylight?
That's my vote.

...but i´d vote for 4600K.. just from my own experience..
i also think that (since we have RED) too warm looks still better than too cold..

martin

 

[Nick Gardner]

I have had no issues using tungsten light with the red. Mostly small fresnel units, maxi brutes, and source four pars. Just don't under expose, and the noise floor is fine.

I think Mr. Mullen's experience on "Manure" speaks to the same result.

Nick

Nick

 

[Stephen Williams]

Geez, how about we just light interiors with Kinos and HMIs and keep it at 5600?

Hi,

Because tungsten looks way better, the small units are more controlable. Probably cheaper to shoot with film than light with HMI's as well in many applications.

Kinos look worse with RED than film BTW. HMI's are all different colors as well

Stephen