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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New round of changes...

Whatever CanNikSon may come up with to `compete´ Scarlet, it will most probably only cover HD aquisition in a more or less sophisticated way. They are restricted by compatibility issues unless they write their own codec. (For news shooters this may be a way to go.) SI goes cineform, Ikonoscop hopes for Open Source (sort of).
With the lens set coming up, RED will remain the only one-stop-shop for digital cinema.
 
Joel Kaye said:
I'm happy with the Canon glass I've got and it works on a bunch of Canon SLR's too.

Canon's got the leg up on variety of glass... tilt shift, macro, image stabilization. If there's one place Canon has an edge is very high quality, relatively inexpensive glass. They've got a full lineup and have always taken pride in their lenses. I'll be surprised if Canon's FF glass doesn't do very well in side by side tests on RED.

Don't underestimate Canon. They have a full retail distribution network RED will never be able to compete with. RED's a cult camera. Canon can go very wide, very fast.

If they did a licensing deal with Cineform they'd have the workflow and codec solved. Canon is like 2 or 3 decisions away from being very dangerous in this market.

They won't do it though. Or RED may have woken up sleeping giants. We'll see.
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"Never"?

Really? An upstart has never overtaken an incumbant? Especially in the disruptive hi-tech arena?

Hmm, I didn't know that. :cool:
 
Joel Kaye said:
Canon is like 2 or 3 decisions away from being very dangerous in this market.
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How do you "know" this? Do you work for them? And if you do, are you up there in the food chain that have access to "such" info? Hummm...

Joel Kaye said:
RED's a cult camera.
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Now this is VERY funny... a cult camera with SEVERAL films done with it already... Canon may have some done with theirs but I only remember 28 Days After... If you like a product that's fine but no need to get defensive... Cheers!

And like Steven Caesare said above David can beat Goliath, the big giants are way too wrapped up in their egoes to really know what a humble consumer would like, in the other hand this "small" company owner dude gets in this forum dressed with a lot of patience to answer my stupid questions and he even take our whinning and improve the product...
 
Gualbert said:
How do you "know" this? Do you work for them? And if you do, are you up there in the food chain that have access to "such" info? Hummm...
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With all due respect Canon is only ONE decision away to be a dangerous player here - the have to decide to do it... The have the technology and they certainly have the infrastructure. I do have a R&D contract with Canon (amongst other companies), but I do not work for them. Even then I have seen myself more then enough. Just imagine the stuff I get nowhere near to... The thing with Canon is that there are corporate politics to consider and then there is the shareholding issues too. No of which relates to Jim & RED...

Gualbert said:
Now this is VERY funny... a cult camera with SEVERAL films done with it already... Canon may have some done with theirs but I only remember 28 Days After... If you like a product that's fine but no need to get defensive... Cheers!
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To his credit I think he meant "cult" in a positive way and in relation to marketing and sales channels. RED has indeed a "cult" following...

:) Peter
 
RED may have started as a cult camera, but it's quickly spreading everywhere.

I live in Utah and we've had several meetings with the RED and doing the RED workflow. In fact, one company offered everyone a free half day shoot with the RED to get used to it and I know at least a dozen people who took advantage of it for either short films, school projects, or just to know the camera because they've been eagerly anticipating having one.

While only a dozen (that I know of, everyone may have) took advantage of the free half day, there were over 40 different companies, backgrounds, etc. at the event (not massive but Utah is still a growing film industry). That many different companies represented shows that there's definitely interest in the product and in what's to come.

Every time a RED camera comes to Utah everyone gets excited. When Utah Valley University got one it was in the newspapers. The University of Utah just got their funding for a RED and are working on getting the sticks for one. Many of the people in the film industry in Utah know the first person to get a RED, he was also at the RED workflow meeting and everyone had a chuckle cause everyone wanted to be his friend when that happened.

A local independent sci-fi film decided to shoot all on RED because they knew they'd get great images and they'd have a digital workflow and in the end save tons of money instead of using film.

Now I don't even have to mention all the feature films starting to use it or that have used it...I'm just talking about local buzz and use of the camera. It's a big deal.

Cult following is hardly the word I'd use, and I'm a Joss Whedon fan!. :)
 
Hey Zach! I just came back from filming in ZION National Park and it seamed like this was the first time they had RED in there... We should be back next week to Bryce and then off to Grand Canyon. It was an amazing experience and I have really enjoyed the NP...

:) Peter

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Peter Majtan said:
Hey Zach! I just came back from filming in ZION National Park and it seamed like this was the first time they had RED in there... We should be back next week to Bryce and then off to Grand Canyon. It was an amazing experience and I have really enjoyed the NP..
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Nice try Peter...:-)

With RED I shot Zion, Bryce, and basically most of the other national parks in the Southwest USA clear back in 2007 (Yosemite, etc.), again twice in 2008 for each of them, and I'll be back in Zion and Bryce shooting this coming week.

Small world, eh?! :-)

There is a some serious beauty in all those places...
 
Zachary Marsh said:
RED may have started as a cult camera, but it's quickly spreading everywhere.

I live in Utah and we've had several meetings with the RED and doing the RED workflow. In fact, one company offered everyone a free half day shoot with the RED to get used to it and I know at least a dozen people who took advantage of it for either short films, school projects, or just to know the camera because they've been eagerly anticipating having one.

While only a dozen (that I know of, everyone may have) took advantage of the free half day, there were over 40 different companies, backgrounds, etc. at the event (not massive but Utah is still a growing film industry). That many different companies represented shows that there's definitely interest in the product and in what's to come.

Every time a RED camera comes to Utah everyone gets excited. When Utah Valley University got one it was in the newspapers. The University of Utah just got their funding for a RED and are working on getting the sticks for one. Many of the people in the film industry in Utah know the first person to get a RED, he was also at the RED workflow meeting and everyone had a chuckle cause everyone wanted to be his friend when that happened.

A local independent sci-fi film decided to shoot all on RED because they knew they'd get great images and they'd have a digital workflow and in the end save tons of money instead of using film.

Now I don't even have to mention all the feature films starting to use it or that have used it...I'm just talking about local buzz and use of the camera. It's a big deal.

Cult following is hardly the word I'd use, and I'm a Joss Whedon fan!. :)
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There really was no single first person to receive a shipping RED One camera - the first people to receive RED cameras, serial numbers 6 through 25, all received their cameras on the same night (except a few who couldn't come). That night was August 30, 2007 at RED headquarters - and I was one of those fortunate people, receiving RED #0008. Serial numbers 1 through 5 went to Jim Jannard.

I shoot in Utah regularly (see my post above). The next ten days starting tomorrow I'll be shooting adventure travel, alternative sports, and wildlife in Utah - Zion, Bryce, Escalante, Moab, then up to Provo to shoot a world cultural dance group.

I'm not surprised at all that there has been such a buzz about RED in Utah - the film and TV industry is strong there - and several schools have excellent TV/film production curriculums.

Visiting and shooting with RED in Utah is second nature for me - I was born in Utah, raised in California, but graduated from BYU! :-)
 
Steve Gibby said:
There really was no single first person to receive a shipping RED One camera - the first people to receive RED cameras, serial numbers 6 through 25, all received their cameras on the same night (except a few who couldn't come). That night was August 30, 2007 at RED headquarters - and I was one of those people, receiving RED #00008. Serial numbers 1 through 5 went to Jim Jannard.
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OH YES.. the first red days:) good times.. goooddddd times
I was sweating my ass off
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
OH YES.. the first red days:) good times.. goooddddd times
I was sweating my ass off
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That's right...you were working at RED back then. You guys did a great job on those early RED Day events. They were way cool events...

All that seems like 10 or 15 years ago now...time flys when you're having fun (with RED One that is!).
 
Steve Gibby said:
There really was no single first person to receive a shipping RED One camera - the first people to receive RED cameras, serial numbers 6 through 25, all received their cameras on the same night (except a few who couldn't come). That night was August 30, 2007 at RED headquarters - and I was one of those people, receiving RED #00008. Serial numbers 1 through 5 went to Jim Jannard.

I shoot in Utah regularly (see my post above). The next ten days starting tomorrow I'll be shooting adventure travel, alternative sports, and wildlife in Utah - Zion, Bryce, Escalante, Moab, then up to Provo to shoot a world cultural dance group.

I'm not surprised at all that there has been such a buzz about RED in Utah - the film and TV industry is strong there - and several schools have excellent TV/film production curriculums.

Visiting and shooting with RED in Utah is second nature for me - I was born in Utah, and I'm a graduate of BYU! :-)
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I meant the first person in Utah to have a RED. My bad. :)
 
Gualbert said:
Now this is VERY funny... a cult camera with SEVERAL films done with it already...
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I think you're reading that a little differently than I thought I wrote it.

I reserved a RED the first day you could and it's really the only camera I personally will shoot right now if I can possibly justify it. (I've shot it on 4 features now, so I'm not very "defensive". RED kills.)

As far as "Cult" goes - it's a great compliment in my mind. RED is not a retail camera moving 20,000 units a month and it never will be. There are entire U.S. States with less than 10. I'm calling that "cult".

Scarlet could sell thousands every month like the DVX100 once did but it's unlikely to show up down at Best Buy.

As to Canon - Remember Netscape? And then Internet Explorer came along? Canon is potentially very dangerous. Certainly their lenses have a much bigger/better reputation among the general public and still shooters out there than RED has. They've been doing it for a very long time now. There's a lot of goodwill built up. It's gonna be competitive eventually... like it or not.
 
Steve Gibby said:
Nice try Peter...:-)

With RED I shot Zion, Bryce, and basically most of the other national parks in the Southwest USA clear back in 2007 (Yosemite, etc.), again twice in 2008 for each of them, and I'll be back in Zion and Bryce shooting this coming week.

Small world, eh?! :-)

There is a some serious beauty in all those places...
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That is insane Gibby! I might run into You there, will call Your cell when I am heading over. Last week I got some amazing shots using a gyro-setup shooting out of a moving car. I am sending some for the REEL consideration...

:D Peter
 
Joel Kaye said:
Canon is potentially very dangerous. Certainly their lenses have a much bigger/better reputation among the general public and still shooters out there than RED has. They've been doing it for a very long time now.
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Not to mention that there might be some Canon "cine" glass coming out soon, or so I heard... :sifone:

:) Peter
 
Steve Harryman said:
Oh the life of Gibby. I'm envious your shooting schedule.
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I am way stoked to get the chance to go to a lot of cool places. In reality though, it was Jim Jannard's dream (RED cameras) that has now made it tons more fun than it ever was! RED One isn't the easiest camera to lug all over the place, set up, and shoot with - but when we get back to the hotel and check the daily images, the thoughts of all our hard work simply melt away into big smiles. :-)

Then we can't wait until morning so we can go out and see what other cool images we can get. RED has put some serious fun back in shooting for us.

With the added mobility enabled by the smaller Epic and Scarlet cameras - I expect the big smiles to continue for many years to come. :-)

Thanks RED Team...you guys seriously rock...
 
Steve Gibby said:
I am way stoked to get the chance to go to a lot of cool places. In reality though, it was Jim Jannard's dream (RED cameras) that has now made it tons more fun than it ever was! RED One isn't the easiest camera to lug all over the place, set up, and shoot with - but when we get back to the hotel and check the daily images, the thoughts of all our hard work simply melt away into big smiles. :-)

Then we can't wait until morning so we can go out and see what other cool images we can get. RED has put some serious fun back in shooting for us.

With the added mobility enabled by the smaller Epic and Scarlet cameras - I expect the big smiles to continue for many years to come. :-)

Thanks RED Team...you guys seriously rock...
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I could not agree more Gibby!

:) Peter
 
Filming with Steve Gibby and Blair Paulsen

Filming with Steve Gibby and Blair Paulsen

Filming with DOPs like Steve Gibby, Blair Paulsen, Champe Barton and Dave Hillman, in a single show, is a Producer's dream come true. these guys are such masters of their craft, true virtuosos, magical in their composition, obviously underrated, probably underpaid, while they perform their art so effortlessly with an inert smile. Whether filming with a single Red 4K camera or orchestrating ten (10) Red 4K cameras plus 2 more sony HD cameras for a total of 12 cameras, as they did for the rock band "Journey" concert in Manila Philippines, it is but obvious that it hardly gets much better than these guy's magic put together.

Oli
 
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