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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New round of changes...

Gavin Greenwalt said:
Hard numbers are good.

Let's say we have a static price of 100Monies

100Monies/100Performances = 1 Performance per Money
100Mones/125Performances = .8 Performance per Money.

So by getting more performance per dollar we actually want a negative change in the ratio. :D

Performance/Cost is the ratio that more intuitively works.
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Except you flipped the numerator and denominator in the second example. It is actually 1.25 Performances per Money, which is better (for us) than .8 Performance.
 
You say your competition is watching, but I don't think they're really seeing.

Especially Canon. It's like they've gone senile.
 
Canon, Panasonic, Sony will all have cameras at competitive spec by the time scarlet releases, thats expected. They have the tech and the muscle.

But
'Specifications, prices and delivery dates are subject to change '
is RED's best offensive in this battle. Therefore its best to keep in mind that you and I are reading the same info that RED's competition are reading, with regards to scarlets specs.

It makes an interesting chess game that unfolds before us, with the consumer being the ultimate winner.
 
Sony, Canon and Panasonic may be fielding cameras that address the capabilities that Scarlet promises, but keep in mind a few things as this competition heats up. Sony, Canon and Panasonic are not building product from a blank slate here. They're porting features they should have had six years ago onto existing lines of technology. They're locked into their established form-factors and they cannot compete yet in resolution or frame-rate. Providing 1080 video at 24p is not going to cut it, especially when the innovation to beat is actually RedCode. Try as they might to take a pre-emptive swing at Jim's flank, they are still woefully behind the development curve. The market may not always reflect this scenario, but by the time they produce a truly competitive Scarlet challenger, Jim will have fielded his cameras and be off to the next step.
 
Agreed. Canon and the rest simply do not have the testicular fortitude to make a direct head-to-head challenge to any of RED's products.

However, I do believe that there is a market for a 1080p/2k RGB camera with 35mm DOF for under $8000. There are a lot of folks out there, like me, who want a simpler system because they're only producing content that goes straight to Home Video or Broadcast. Shoot, Firewire it in, and start cutting.

It's still my intention to shoot our next project with two RED1's (rentals). However, if Canon does release this rumored camera then I'm pretty positive I'll buy one (if the picture looks good).
 
Jeff Coatney said:
especially when the innovation to beat is actually RedCode.
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Yep. Redcode and Modularity are two ace cards Red already has on the table for all to see. And the pro series of lenses is a third card about to be played.
I can't see CanonPanaSony going completely modular or beating redcode or developing a series of inexpensive pro cine lenses.

CanonPanaSony DO have the muscle and the tech. Their decisions are based purely on profit margins
which from Jim's point of view makes them predictable.
 
I am excited for these camera changes.. But, I think RED has the leg up on the competition with the pro glass they are going to release!
Cameras will come and go.. GLASS will be here to stay!!!
I cant wait to see/test these primes out for myself:)
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
I am excited for these camera changes.. But, I think RED has the leg up on the competition with the pro glass they are going to release!
Cameras will come and go.. GLASS will be here to stay!!!
I cant wait to see/test these primes out for myself:)
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I'm happy with the Canon glass I've got and it works on a bunch of Canon SLR's too.

Canon's got the leg up on variety of glass... tilt shift, macro, image stabilization. If there's one place Canon has an edge is very high quality, relatively inexpensive glass. They've got a full lineup and have always taken pride in their lenses. I'll be surprised if Canon's FF glass doesn't do very well in side by side tests on RED.

Don't underestimate Canon. They have a full retail distribution network RED will never be able to compete with. RED's a cult camera. Canon can go very wide, very fast.

If they did a licensing deal with Cineform they'd have the workflow and codec solved. Canon is like 2 or 3 decisions away from being very dangerous in this market.

They won't do it though. Or RED may have woken up sleeping giants. We'll see.
 
Im happy with my Zeiss ZF lenses (look wise)
however.. mechanically they are not fit for real world use..
I need proper distance measurements, on both sides of the barrel, and a better mount.. aka- PL.

still lenses have their place.. in the no-low budget indie realm, where you have time to fiddle around with focus marks.
DONT GET ME WRONG!- all I currently own are ZF's and they look amazing!!!
but in a perfect world, where I could afford cine glass.. I would get something proper in a heartbeat! and now.. thanks to RED and a few other glass manufacturers. it will be possible in 09 to achieve this.
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
but in a perfect world, where I could afford cine glass.. I would get something proper in a heartbeat! and now.. thanks to RED and a few other glass manufacturers. it will be possible in 09 to achieve this.
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It sounds like we may be agreeing.

I'm mostly talking about Scarlet world as the place I believe the real battle for huge volume is. "Proper PL" isn't even a language outside of LA, NY and a few film schools around the world.

Personally, I believe I'm going to have a better, more usable system with the View Factor FF hooked up to a Birger than I had when I shot with Ultraprimes hooked up to an Arri Follow Focus. Well.... I'll tell you for sure in 2-3 weeks... but it's sure looking that way.

Maybe I'm just a rebel at heart.

When your customer base is full of rebels what do you do next? Good question.
 
Joel Kaye said:
I'm happy with the Canon glass I've got and it works on a bunch of Canon SLR's too.

Canon's got the leg up on variety of glass... tilt shift, macro, image stabilization. If there's one place Canon has an edge is very high quality, relatively inexpensive glass. They've got a full lineup and have always taken pride in their lenses. I'll be surprised if Canon's FF glass doesn't do very well in side by side tests on RED.

Don't underestimate Canon. They have a full retail distribution network RED will never be able to compete with. RED's a cult camera. Canon can go very wide, very fast.

If they did a licensing deal with Cineform they'd have the workflow and codec solved. Canon is like 2 or 3 decisions away from being very dangerous in this market.

They won't do it though. Or RED may have woken up sleeping giants. We'll see.
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Isn't cineform developed for the post world? Can it be adapted to go straight from a sensor?
 
Robert Sanders said:
Agreed. Canon and the rest simply do not have the testicular fortitude to make a direct head-to-head challenge to any of RED's products.

However, I do believe that there is a market for a 1080p/2k RGB camera with 35mm DOF for under $8000. There are a lot of folks out there, like me, who want a simpler system because they're only producing content that goes straight to Home Video or Broadcast. Shoot, Firewire it in, and start cutting.

It's still my intention to shoot our next project with two RED1's (rentals). However, if Canon does release this rumored camera then I'm pretty positive I'll buy one (if the picture looks good).
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and I'll bet you sell it later to buy the Scarlett. :thumbsup:
 
How can anyone seriously compare anything Canon or Panasonic can offer with RED developments?
 
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