new REDCINE-X feedback

[David Ibbitson]

Loving this tool.
1 - Love the settings save buttons in the CURVE tool. (I imagine they will save settings soon). Would LOVE to see similar settings save buttons in the LIFT:GAMMA:GAIN tool and the IMAGE tool---great for quick toggle thru grades for comparison.

etrageser,

If you hold down one of those buttons until the curve markers flash
(approx 2 seconds), the settings for that particular curve are saved to disk,
and restored whenever you re-open the application. Ofcourse, it will be lost
if you overwrite it.

David

 

[Neil Harrison]

RedCineX Feature Request

RedCineX Feature Request

Would it be possible to have an option in RCX to rotate the viewer window, so that we can work with portrait orientation footage straight from camera.

We are shooting stills with the camera turned 90 deg counter clockwise, and it would be great to be able to play back the footage this way in RCX. At present we use another monitor physically turned, but this is not ideal, and sometimes we just have a single laptop.

Thanks.

Neil.

 

[R Fogg]

Build 90 Issues

Build 90 Issues

Identical behavior on 2 different machines 1 w RED Rocket™, one without - when export settings are set to "bin(all clips)" or "bin (selected clips)" and naming is set to "output with clip filename in selected folder" redcine-x build 90 renders out correctly named prores files, however each of the rendered files is an identical copy of the first file in the render queue.

 

[Jean-Charles Wolfarth]

Identical behavior on 2 different machines 1 w RED Rocket™™, one without - when export settings are set to "bin(all clips)" or "bin (selected clips)" and naming is set to "output with clip filename in selected folder" redcine-x build 90 renders out correctly named prores files, however each of the rendered files is an identical copy of the first file in the render queue.

Same here, on PC, assuming you're on Mac as you can render Prores files. When you export different clips of the timeline, same behavior, all the clips rendered are the same as the first one.

 

[Charles Stewart Jr]

2GB File limit???

2GB File limit???

Great job with Redcine-x build 90!!! I just shot something and was exporting some clips when I noticed that they are all ending up at a 1.96 GB file size. When I play it back it's just cutting off the end of the clips. Am I doing something wrong? I understand this is an "Alpha" release so I'm not bent out of shape or anything. I just wanted to know if there was an easy fix or should I go back to build 54 to finish the project. Thanks!

Charles

 

[Eric Trageser]

If you hold down one of those buttons until the curve markers flash
(approx 2 seconds), the settings for that particular curve are saved to disk,
and restored whenever you re-open the application. Ofcourse, it will be lost
if you overwrite it.

David

Thanks David.

Also in the CURVES tool-
would love to see Photoshop-style SetWhitePoint / SetBlackPoint / SetGrayPoint eyedrop pickers. I use these often to quickly get a neutral coloring, and to expand the range of what's in an image to the ends of the available range.

 

[Notis Benos]

Great job with Redcine-x build 90!!! I just shot something and was exporting some clips when I noticed that they are all ending up at a 1.96 GB file size. When I play it back it's just cutting off the end of the clips. Am I doing something wrong? I understand this is an "Alpha" release so I'm not bent out of shape or anything. I just wanted to know if there was an easy fix or should I go back to build 54 to finish the project. Thanks!

Charles

Not that I 'm sure this is the issue, but I 'd check the file size limitation FAT32 file system has. So, is your hard drive FAT32 formatted?

 

[Notis Benos]

Ok here is a bug I am running into in Windows Vista. I click on the + sign in the "Export" window, select quicktime as the file format, click "Setup...", and then click "Settings..." under video. Now when I click "Ok" the setup windows vanish and the preset is not added to the "Export" window. This happens whether I change any of the "Settings..." or not.

This happens to me as well. So I have no way to export to Quicktime currently.

Also, I hear there is AVID MXF Export on MAC -- would LOVE that on PC!

Thanks!

Same here, it is a bug, but there is a solution thanks to our reduser fellow:

When I make a new export preset, and enter the setup of quicktime file, and then press OK to save the new setup, the preset window goes beyond the program main window.
At first I thought it just disappeared, and tried several times. Every time same thing, then by coincidence I minimized the main program window and found all the export preset windows there, "waiting" to clik OK.

 

[Rainer Fritz]

thx for the new version of RCX....

one question... would it be possible to integrate a shadow/midtone/highlight color wheel as well? that would be great.....

thx
rainer

 

[Dave Dessel]

A big advancement

A big advancement

The latest version of Redcine-X really changes the entire game. Meaning specifically, that the end result- the rendered media that we actually edit is much improved.

I was never able to get close to what I wanted from a Raw file using the old applications.

I would use the old Redcine to create ultra-flat Quicktimes. These renders would have to be loaded into Apple Color, adjusted to a precise grade and rendered out. The results were alway great, but the process was never fun because of the two renders. This process certainly didn't make things easy from a business perspective.

The preview on the old apps never matched my renders, and the lack of control to easily spread out the tonal range, forced me to escape from the old Red Apps as soon as possible.

All of this has changed, and with Redcine-X. I am getting perfect renders on the first pass. This is not because of FLUT, Redcolor or Redgamma, (not that I don't appreciate them) but the addition of the lift, gamma and gain controls. These controls are the true game changers. They are the primary controls that all colorists use and there is good reason for it.

I'm now getting great renders using 709 Color Space and Gamma as well as the new parameters. The critical thing is to stretch out the lift and gain to the edges of the histogram, and then adjust the mid-tones with either FLUT or Gamma. Adding a slight S-Curve on top can make for a great look.

The Tangent Wave support is awesome, and makes RedCine-X a major piece of software.

Thanks to everyone at Red for the all efforts to improve the camera and workflow. I have learned a lot from you guys on how to treat customers. You are the best.

-Dave Dessel

 

[Michael Totten]

I'm trying to get RED onto a job I'm shooting for Discovery HD, but the production company won't agree unless I can deliver them Avid DNxHD 1920X1080 59.94 220.
Is there a reason I haven't seen this codec in RedCine-X or Rocket-Cine ?

 

[CK Olsen]

FLUT™s awesome, but I need a basic UNDO feature asap...

FLUT™s awesome, but I need a basic UNDO feature asap...

I finally had a chance to play with B90 today for the first time...
Overall it shows a lot of promise, and the image results have been pretty intriguing... The interface and workflow are defintiely a work in prgress, but cheers so far!

My reactions to Build 90:

#1 - PLEASE GIVE ME AN UNDO FEATURE.
In playing around, I've made plenty of errors, often due to the preview window cacheing delays, including dialing in odd numeric values, or razoring my clips in the wrong place... having to remember what the previous value was, or having to rebuild/refix my timeline is a big pain in the arse... Not having Ctrl-Z just plain hurts.

#2 - It would be extremely helpful to have a splitscreen feature for showing "metadata/grade" changes and especially for "before/after" Detail previews for the De-Noise/Sharpening features. (BTW-Are these even enabled? It was REALLY hard to tell...)

#3 - I'm not using RED Rocket™™ yet, but AM using this on a decent machine, and was a little surprised at the quirky interaction/slow update speed for the interface... I know this is Beta, but what should we "not yet Rocket enabled" users expect re: playback and interactivity? (I'm only previewing at 1/8th and the constant cacheing caused me to misdial a lot...)

#4 - My detail window keeps failing, requiring a relaunch to see picture again... Not able to reproduce exactly yet, but it's happened every session I've tried today.

#5 - The export process can be confusing... I don't always want a "preset"... sometimes I just need to get 1 clip quickly in, graded, and back out and would prefer a quick export feature with all the options, filename and save location info in one dialog box so I can hit one button and be done. Maybe I can do this right now, but if so, I have not found out how yet.

Again, Kudos... This tool, combined with the latest build of the RED firmware has already helped me get more out of my camera than I expected, and I can't wait to see what's next!
-CK

 

[Mark Phelan]

The detail window will always force a full debayer just for the detail view so use it sparingly or it will slow everything down alot.

Not quite sure I follow, please explain. Reason I'm asking is that I rendered a long clip that took, oh about 13 hours to render. (Boy, do I need a RedRocket) I had Detail set at High, sharpness at 0 and denoise at 0. Why? Because I don't know what I'm doing here! ;-) This combination of settings produced a very soft image. I'd like to know what others are using for settings to get a nice, sharp image. Rendering the same file in RedAlert produces a sharp image, so I know it's the combination of settings I've used that are the culprit. Thanks for any good words of wisdom!

 

[Jesse Cairnie]

My only comment is the Cluttered layout..

I would like to see resizable windows so I can have a neat layout.. right now its such a mess with over lapping and hidden windows.. I feel like im doing a research paper in college.. maybe some default window layouts and maybe a way to save the layout.. after I get it laid out to where I like it.. as soon as I close it and open again.. everything gets rearranged.. maybe resizable windows with scroll bars..

Phenomenal software, Thank you!

 

[shashbugu]

The latest version of Redcine-X really changes the entire game. Meaning specifically, that the end result- the rendered media that we actually edit is much improved.

I was never able to get close to what I wanted from a Raw file using the old applications.

I would use the old Redcine to create ultra-flat Quicktimes. These renders would have to be loaded into Apple Color, adjusted to a precise grade and rendered out. The results were alway great, but the process was never fun because of the two renders. This process certainly didn't make things easy from a business perspective.

The preview on the old apps never matched my renders, and the lack of control to easily spread out the tonal range, forced me to escape from the old Red Apps as soon as possible.

All of this has changed, and with Redcine-X. I am getting perfect renders on the first pass. This is not because of FLUT™, Redcolor or Redgamma, (not that I don't appreciate them) but the addition of the lift, gamma and gain controls. These controls are the true game changers. They are the primary controls that all colorists use and there is good reason for it.

I'm now getting great renders using 709 Color Space and Gamma as well as the new parameters. The critical thing is to stretch out the lift and gain to the edges of the histogram, and then adjust the mid-tones with either FLUT™ or Gamma. Adding a slight S-Curve on top can make for a great look.

The Tangent Wave support is awesome, and makes RedCine-X a major piece of software.

Thanks to everyone at Red for the all efforts to improve the camera and workflow. I have learned a lot from you guys on how to treat customers. You are the best.

-Dave Dessel

Well said, change is coming

 

[CK Olsen]

Question-What exactly is saved when you save?

Question-What exactly is saved when you save?

Again, I know this is Beta software, but I'm really confused by what is supposed to be saved when I save. I assumed it was a snapshot of my "project"... meaning my bin, timeline, and presets all should be saved, along with the graded state/"edit" state of the media on the timeline and/or in the bins... but this doesn't always appear to be the case. What I do appear to get is my bins, my export presets, and some, but not all of the grade presets I created beforte my last save. My binned media always appears to revert to metadata grade, the timeline opens cleared of any media, and I will usually only get a couple of the grade presets I had last "saved". I'm sure that some of this might be software bugs, some might be Beta, and admittedly, all might be my misunderstanding...
Anyone able to shed some light?
-CK

 

[Jannard]

New REDCINE-X posted... Build 96.

Also new ROCKETCINE-X

Jim

 

[Jannard]

Again, I know this is Beta software, but I'm really confused by what is supposed to be saved when I save. I assumed it was a snapshot of my "project"... meaning my bin, timeline, and presets all should be saved, along with the graded state/"edit" state of the media on the timeline and/or in the bins... but this doesn't always appear to be the case. What I do appear to get is my bins, my export presets, and some, but not all of the grade presets I created beforte my last save. My binned media always appears to revert to metadata grade, the timeline opens cleared of any media, and I will usually only get a couple of the grade presets I had last "saved". I'm sure that some of this might be software bugs, some might be Beta, and admittedly, all might be my misunderstanding...
Anyone able to shed some light?
-CK

There is a manual posted with the new release.

Jim

 

[Rich Schaefer]

There is a manual posted with the new release.

Jim

Awesome! I am way better at shooting stuff than the post stuff.

 

[Nick Shaw]

I may be missing something, but is there a way to choose the de-Bayer setting for export? It seems default to "full high" which is fine on my Mac Pro with a Rocket, but no good for creating dailies on my MacBook Pro.