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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

new REDCINE-X feedback

How do I generate a log file? Also, is there a way to transcode from the timeline where the clips are transcoded as separate clips as opposed to one timeline clip that is a combination of all of them? Tried it a couple ways and it always asks me to name the timeline and then it becomes one large conglomerated clip.
 
Michael Epple said:
How do I generate a log file? Also, is there a way to transcode from the timeline where the clips are transcoded as separate clips as opposed to one timeline clip that is a combination of all of them? Tried it a couple ways and it always asks me to name the timeline and then it becomes one large conglomerated clip.
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Heya Mike!

The logs are here: User/Library/Application Support/Red/RedCineX/Logs.

To render separate clips, you click '+' in the Export window and check the "sub folder per clip" box at the bottom of the Export Settings page. At least it should, haven't actually tried it yet because Build 90 keeps crashing on me.
 
Export bugs in Redcine-X build 90

Export bugs in Redcine-X build 90

Redcine-x build 90

ISSUE 1
Export (Bin (Selected) OR Bin (All) )

When I try to export a batch of clips in the Bin (doesn't matter if I use Selected clips in Bin or All Clips in Bin), Redcine-x seems to physically create the files that match the name of the clips selected.

But when I check the exported clips - I find that all of them have footage from just one clip out of the multiple clips selected.

Steps:

Add 2 or more clips to a Bin.
Create an export preset to output quicktime files, and specify an output folder
Select Export (Bin All Clips)
OR
Highlight 2 clips in the bin, and Select Export (Bin Selected Clips)

In the batch list you will see all different file names.

On the disk you will see different Quicktime files generated.

Open all files rendered - you will see that all have the same footage.


ISSUE 2

If I change the in point and out point for a clip in the editing timeline, and then I try to export that clip from Bin, it still remembers the in and out points and only renders the part of the clip selected for the editing timeline.


Steps:
Add 1 clip to a bin
Add the same clip to timeline
In the timeline drag the in points, and out points of the clip so as to leave out the parts where director calls Action/Cut.
Now go to eXport and export the Bin All Clips

You will find the exported clip starts at in point and ends at out point.

I think it would make more sense to keep the bin export separate from timeline export. Because if I want to just export the footage within those in and out points, then I would use the Timeline export option for (1 or multiple selected clips in the timeline)



I love RedCine-X a lot. So would be great to have these fixed.

thanks
yogesh
 
Working with REDCine-X v90

First of all, taking a snapshot overwrites previous snapshots of the same clip.
Not nice if you make some different grades as reference.....

Secondly I was wondering if there is a preferred path to follow with the new FLUT involved.

Tradionally you set lift and gain levels first and fine tune with gamma settings.
than color balance them.
If I move FLUT (and it reacts very strong on my Wave panel), it destroys all previous settings.
Is there a 'preferred' order or the usual, tweak everywhere?
 
Michael Lofquist said:
Form and Functionality - the art of functional design

Here is an example of me bumbling along using the tool: I click a clip in the 'Clip Selection' browser. Nothing happens. I double click the clip in the browser and the clip is loaded into the timeline and the clip viewer. I apply my color temperature, some FLUT™™™™™™™, some curves. Great. Happy, with the new color science I continue. I double click another clip in the 'Clip Selection' browser. It's added to the timeline after the first one. Surprise. I move the playhead to it and see that the adjustments I made to the previous clip has rightly or wrongly not been applied to the newly added clip. Now I have two clips in the timeline. I didn't really want that - I wanted in this case to process each one in turn or maybe I did want the same effect applied. I definitely did not want to combine all the clips into one.... well in this case I didn't. I figure by trial and error the way process individual clips is to drag them into the viewer, apply my looks and when done drag another one over the existing one etc etc. Of course this works well until my butter fingers drops the clip before it reaches the viewer and the clip is removed from the 'Clip Selection' browser. Back to the browser and try and figure out what clip I "lost". Dragging and dropping paradigm with dual result is risky. The <cmd>+<delete> would be a safer bet as it is a well known paradigm for the Mac users. Interestingly <delete> works on the clips in the timeline. Single click of a clip should really load the clip in the viewer as this is standard procedure in many tools and come naturally to many people.
michael
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Hi Michael,

If your attempting to apply looks to a selection of clips try this:
1. Load all the clips your interested in processing into a bin.
2. Drag one of those clips directly to the viewer (or double click to append to the timeline).
3. Apply any looks to this clip.
4. In the "Look Presets" tool click '+' to add a new preset. Give it a name.
5. In the 'Apply to:' dropdown of the same tool, select 'Bin (all clips)'.
6. Click apply.

You should now have the same look applied to each clip in the bin.
Hope this helps!

David
 
Issues with White Balance in RCX Build 90 (and below)

Issues with White Balance in RCX Build 90 (and below)

Hi, I shot some footage last week with Build 21, it was on a white scoop (White Colorama), HMI, and the camera was set at 4932K on set with an AWB for viewing purposes.

When these files are loaded into Red Alert the white point looks correct and when I do a pick white balance, that also comes back at around the same temp. (4872K)

If I load the same clips into RCX they have a blue cast, despite the color temp being set the same. If I then do a pick white point RCX says that the white point in actually 6165K and then the footage looks correct again!?

If I look at the RCX window and the Red Alert window side by side the footage looks identical in both, but one is set at 4872K and the other at 6165K.

Neil.
 
Michael Epple said:
How do I generate a log file? Also, is there a way to transcode from the timeline where the clips are transcoded as separate clips as opposed to one timeline clip that is a combination of all of them? Tried it a couple ways and it always asks me to name the timeline and then it becomes one large conglomerated clip.
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Mike - At the back of the REDCINE-X Operation Guide (that is incuded in the REDCINE-X download) it explains where to get the log files and how to compress them to send to us.

Hops this helps.
 
REDCine X Feedback

REDCine X Feedback

Here is some of the feedback from the LightIRON Team

Add in timecode and edgecode in VIEWER
-This program will likely be used for logging and pulling of unique shots (such as visual effects) and needs to be able to display R3D timecode tracks

Combine the Framing Tool and Framing Presets tool into 1 tool
-Currently, to APPLY and SAVE a framing preset you need two windows and have to APPLY the presets in a specific order or they will not apply. It’s confusing to require two separate tools execute this- most commonly when converting 4.5K media to letterboxed 1920

Allow for “Save Window Layout”
-I find that I will use RC-X for different tasks and some tasks do not require the same set of windows as others. If one can save an “exports” layout it would be different from a “viewing” layout, etc.

Add an “Apple” + “Number” command to open and close any window
-RC-X has many windows, yet it is not necessary to have every window to be visible of all tasks. For a quick and clean response, add in the ability to quickly toggle windows to and from view using keyboard hot strokes such as “Apple” + “1” for timeline


Consider an ATTRIBUTES PRESET BOX so one can monitor and group sub-presets together or apply into a OVERALL project preset
-Currently, if you have (for example) a re-frame adjustment, a color preset and a export setting, you need to SAVE each preset and then apply the specific preset to each batch
-If you had 3 different looks, you could take all the outdoor and put them in one bin, then indoor to another bin and APPLY GLOBAL look to all presets
-If you had an ATTRIBUTES PREST box, you could selectively choose which attriutes you wanted to apply to a batch or even APPLY ALL

For fast adjustments, allow for “CURRENT SETTINGS” to be applied to a BIN for quick exports and no need to SAVE any presets
-Sometimes you want to setup anything you browse for a quick export and don't want to track any saved presets

Consider making a single-click necessary to active the thumbnail drop-down information
-auto-hover makes it difficult to select and monitor certain thumbnails as in some viewing modes the drop-down info covers the clip immediately below

Consider creating a WARNING if you are exporting a file with the same name

Consider not TRIMMING clips in the VIEWER when adding I/O points (this makes it difficult to change I/O points if you wanted to)


BUG FIXES:
Exports will stop if you are working in the Viewer window when setting IN and OUT points
When in the VIEWER window setting I/O points, the counter counts UP and then goes BACK when scrubbing in a clip (the picture is in the right place, but the frame counter is not)
 
Satsuki Murashige said:
Heya Mike!

The logs are here: User/Library/Application Support/Red/RedCineX/Logs.

To render separate clips, you click '+' in the Export window and check the "sub folder per clip" box at the bottom of the Export Settings page. At least it should, haven't actually tried it yet because Build 90 keeps crashing on me.
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Thanks Satsuki,
But I don't want each clip in a separate folder. I just want the clips to transcode separately. It seems that everyone is having a problem with this even when they're trying to transcode from the bin. As for now, I'll just transcode in scene batches. Luckily we had a slate! Now I have to find that log file!
 
David Ibbitson said:
Hi Michael,

If your attempting to apply looks to a selection of clips try this:
1. Load all the clips your interested in processing into a bin.
2. Drag one of those clips directly to the viewer (or double click to append to the timeline).
3. Apply any looks to this clip.
4. In the "Look Presets" tool click '+' to add a new preset. Give it a name.
5. In the 'Apply to:' dropdown of the same tool, select 'Bin (all clips)'.
6. Click apply.

You should now have the same look applied to each clip in the bin.
Hope this helps!

David
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David

I know how it works - you misunderstood my post - I was trying to discuss the process/workflow support that is not well defined in the tool - there is plenty of new and exciting functionality but no clear process/workflow support that can be found in tools like Color

michael
 
shashbugu said:
There is an old African saying you cant comb a wild lions mane with a human comb, you have to tame it first.
One thing to consider is Red has to put out a free product without stepping on the toes of its initial partners. The original Redcine had the perfect interface, but it was cripple ware. We all know why. This new version for most users is really about function to begin with. Don't forget the same programers are the exact folk working on many of the other Red hardware software products. Redcine-X is a spare time gig. I am only assuming here. JUst put in your feedback/suggestions clearly I know for a fact they pay close attention. Sometimes I wonder if Jim, Deanan, Graeme and Sean are really 60 people using the same usernames and email addresses. Its the smartest way to have customers feel personally attended too. Ha Ha just kidding I know you all work so hard.
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shashbugu

I doubt that Redcine-X is a spare time gig - this is a serious product development and much needed as RED moves into a larger market space with the even more affordable 2/3 Scarlet. Being free or not is irreverent - it is a product and is treated as such by who ever is developing it.

My feedback is very clear: there is no clearly identifiable paradigm that provides support for the various processes/workflows that the tool needs to support unlike products like Color or for that matter the original Redcine

michael
 
Very impressive might not be a strong enough words for it, but I'm more happy than ever about what I could do with Red. Nicely done, Red. Keep 'em coming. I'm ready.

Things that don't work:

1. I know this will improve over time, but currently if I paste a look onto more than about six clips at once, RCX crashes. Not only that, it doesn't remember my newest look settings, so I have to create it again.

2. Timeline is very inefficient. It kills me not having the "cmd-a" to select all and "delete." Guess I want some hot keys.

3. Of course, everyone's dream: XML import.

4. I agree with what others say about the UI, but Jim says it will be re-done when the functionality satisfies us.

5. I'd love to see RCX implements a lot of Clipfinder things. Nothing can come even close to Clipfinder's simplicity.

Just my two Wons :)
 
Christopher Grant Harvey said:
I would like to see a preview of where the burn-ins appear on the video itself before exporting (and during preview) so I can line it up exactly where I want it. Also where are the frame guides for 1.33:1, 1.85:1 and scope? And the cropping and blanking features of Redcine?

If I have the preview window set to 1/8 1/4 1/16 does this effect the output at all?
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Were these points/questions answered? I didn't see, and am curious about this as well.....
 
Demian Hurst said:
Mike - At the back of the REDCINE-X Operation Guide (that is incuded in the REDCINE-X download) it explains where to get the log files and how to compress them to send to us.

Hops this helps.
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Where is this? I'm not finding any Operations Guide anywhere.

thanks.
 
beautiful

beautiful

Loving this tool.

Input:

1 - Love the settings save buttons in the CURVE tool. (I imagine they will save settings soon). Would LOVE to see similar settings save buttons in the LIFT:GAMMA:GAIN tool and the IMAGE tool---great for quick toggle thru grades for comparison.

2 - XML EDL import ability would be huge. Double plus good with handles of user-defined length.

3 - Agree w/ LightIron guys: Not trimming when setting I/O points in the timeline would make changing your mind easier.

4 - Agree w/ LightIron guys: Timecode in VIEWER window please.

Well done....

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Eric Trageser
Los Angeles
www.erictrageser.com
 
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