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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New quadro "K"4000 vs gtx titan

If you're looking for a single-card solution, I would recommend a GTX Titan unless you need lots of OpenGL performance. If you regularly run Maya, XSI, SolidWorks, or other pro OpenGL based applications, then you'll need to stick with a Quadro card. That means a K5000 or possibly the older generation Quadro 6000 as it's actually still faster for a lot of things! Quadro K6000 (the Quadro version of the Titan) has not shipped yet.

If you're in a situation where you can benefit from multiple GPUs, then a GTX690 is a good choice. Currently, as far as R3D workflows go, you're better off with the Titan. Premiere Pro CC is supposed to use multiple GPUs, however. Resolve uses multiple GPUs, but in the case of 2 or more, it relegates your primary GPU to GUI only, so you get better performance with a single GTX680 or Titan as opposed to a GTX690, which is two slightly underclocked 680's on one card. On the other hand, dual GTX690's is one of the best current configurations for Resolve. The inconvenient truth to all of this is that there's no one "magic bullet" GPU solution.
 
is there any card that can be put in an external thunderbolt box to speed up work with r3d files on a retina or imac...other then a rocket of course...something in between the on board GPU and a rocket....
is the latest imac with the 2mb GPU a big jump over the top of the line retina (which in my non scientific tests is pretty much on par with the 2011/12 top of the line (1gb GPU) imac)?
 
There's a software hack out now that supports the Quadro 4000 (previous "Fermi" GPU) via Thunderbolt on OSX. It hacks both the drivers and one thing with OSX. Have not tried it myself as I no longer own any Quadro 4000 cards.

For now, the biggest bottleneck to R3D processing is still the decompression of the wavelets and that only happens on the CPU or the Rocket card, no GPU acceleration. Your best bet is to pick up a current generation Rocket card. They will start getting cheaper I think, once the new Rocket X begins shipping. Other than that, GPUs you add will only help in the post-compression stage in apps that support them.

As for the iMac, I'm not sure, I haven't really run the current gen iMac through its paces. It's a bit better than the Retina MBP for raw CPU power, but there's not a whole lot of difference between the two for hardware. The retina MBP is an awesome system. I have a couple of the previous generation iMacs and they're great too. For the most powerful configurations you can buy though, you're going to want something else. A 12-core Mac Pro or 12 or 16 core PC are where you go for serious processing abilities.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
There's a software hack out now that supports the Quadro 4000 (previous "Fermi" GPU) via Thunderbolt on OSX. It hacks both the drivers and one thing with OSX. Have not tried it myself as I no longer own any Quadro 4000 cards.

For now, the biggest bottleneck to R3D processing is still the decompression of the wavelets and that only happens on the CPU or the Rocket card, no GPU acceleration. Your best bet is to pick up a current generation Rocket card. They will start getting cheaper I think, once the new Rocket X begins shipping. Other than that, GPUs you add will only help in the post-compression stage in apps that support them.

As for the iMac, I'm not sure, I haven't really run the current gen iMac through its paces. It's a bit better than the Retina MBP for raw CPU power, but there's not a whole lot of difference between the two for hardware. The retina MBP is an awesome system. I have a couple of the previous generation iMacs and they're great too. For the most powerful configurations you can buy though, you're going to want something else. A 12-core Mac Pro or 12 or 16 core PC are where you go for serious processing abilities.
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thanks for the detailed answer....that is what i thought....i will wait for the rocket x and hopefully buy it along with my dragon upgrade and that should take care of that....i really love the retina...i WISH it wasn't limited to 16gb ram....drives me nuts...
mac pros really don't do it for me anymore....i think the money will be much better spent on a rocket and i usually upgrade my iMacs or mbps every 12-18 months now....and with thunderbolt that really works well now....
 
Yeah, the retina MBP is the best laptop I've ever owned, love it. And yes, the 16GB RAM drives me insane. It really needed to have a 32GB option right from the get-go. And when the Haswell based updates ship next month, they really should have a 48GB or even a 64GB option! I've heard from a little birdie that the Haswell updated units will allow for a 32GB config option. So it looks like I'm upgrading, even though mine is not quite a year old.... Or maybe I hold out another year and get an upgrade with the Falcon Ridge Thunderbolt too...
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Yeah, the retina MBP is the best laptop I've ever owned, love it. And yes, the 16GB RAM drives me insane. It really needed to have a 32GB option right from the get-go. And when the Haswell based updates ship next month, they really should have a 48GB or even a 64GB option! I've heard from a little birdie that the Haswell updated units will allow for a 32GB config option. So it looks like I'm upgrading, even though mine is not quite a year old.... Or maybe I hold out another year and get an upgrade with the Falcon Ridge Thunderbolt too...
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We had exact same thoughts so we skipped on adding a retina Macbook or HP 8770W for now, added an HP Z workstation, and will wait for the Retina with Thunderbolt 2 and at least 32GB RAM next year (NAB 2014?) for mobile 4K video editing.

We are still looking for an optimal 4K display card for animation/editing- possibly a Titan or GTX 780 OC / Superclocked if they get 4-6GB DDR5...
 
Does the GTX titian work with Premiere? I can't find it on the supported video card list.
 
Titan works great with Premiere, on Windows. I wouldn't recommend the Titan in a Mac or Hackintosh as the drivers are just not quite there yet. In a Mac Pro tower you need to pull extra power to supplement the two 6-pin connectors, or flash the card to work within the system's limits.

I'm running the Titan in my HP Z820. It has replaced a Quadro 6000 (Fermi 6GB) GPU. The Quadro 6000 was pretty much equal to the Titan in terms of CUDA performance, the Titan has the edge now that drivers have matured a bit. And for everything else the Titan screams. Quadro still has the edge for some legacy OpenGL instructions that some OpenGL apps still use. Quadro cards also have better onboard memory handling, bandwidth, tend to have smoother or more consistent performance. All things considered, dropping in the Titan was not a cost-effective upgrade. I still have the Quadro 6000 here and try as I might, it doesn't seem like anyone wants to buy it. Rather odd, but I guess everyone wants the shiny new cards. The Quadro 6000 is still a top-shelf GPU.
 
Thank you so much! I was kind of worried that premiere would not allow hardware acceleration and lock the program in mercury playback software only. Do you know if you can use a tesla card with the titan?

I've seen the quadro 6000 on amazon for around 1900. I guess the price is dropping because of the k6000.
 
You can only use the Tesla cards paired with Quadros. There really wouldn't be a point to use a Tesla with a Titan since you could simply use more than 1 Titan if the application supported it since it's the best of the Geforce lineup comparable to a K6000 in specs.
 
I have one gtx 680 2gb card which I can use as gui and I am planning to buy pcie expansion chassis to add extra cards/gpu for resolve 10. What could be the best combination? 2 or 3 gtx 680 , 3 gtx 780, 2 titans?
 
I am looking to pull the trigger soon on a graphics card upgrade (GTX 285/ GT 120 in the box now) to run in my early 2009 4,1 Mac Pro. I would rather not go with macvidcards solution. Looking to upgrade performance in Resolve 10 and FCPX. Running 10.8.5 so any "PC" card should run? Thinking of dropping a Booster X5 in the downstairs DVD slot to make sure I don't burn out my rig. Gonna have to wait a bit for that new Mac Pro. Titan, 690, 780ti too many choices, any pointers appreciated!
 
I'm also looking at upgrading computers. I'm actually looking to go from Mac to Windows. I'm currently using a MacPro 3,1. I, like everyone else, was waiting for the new MP, and while it is great and will work for a lot of people, I just don't think it's going to work for me. I'm an Avid editor and use the Nitris DX (PCI card). I'm also going to be using a RR-X, so I'll need an expansion chassis. That coupled with having to buy new TB2 storage….it's just going to add up very quickly (I was thinking the new Mac Pro, 8 core, 64GbRam, and D700s).

So, I started looking into PC simply because it's less expensive and more upgradeable. I just got a quote for the Z820 Red edition, and so far, I'm still paying less than the new MacPro, storage, PCI expansion chassis, etc...

I'm being quoted a 16 core machine (2/Xeon® E5-2650 v2 2..60Ghz 20MB), 64GB Ram, with the Quadro K4000.
My main apps are Avid and Red Cine. I do a little of AE and Resolve work, but not a ton. I want to be able to go through 6k footage smoothly (I'll have the RR-X), and also be able to edit 4k/5k natively in Avid when needed. My question is the graphics card. Is the K4000 good enough, or should I go up to the K5000?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 
I have two quadro 4000's in a Cubix Rackmount 6 expansion chassis along with a RR, connected by an 8Gb fiber channel card to a 2010 12 core Macpro with an internal 570 GPU. The Mac Pro is on a SAN. The two 4000's are being used to accelerate our DaVinci Resolve. I plan to go with a RRX card when my Dragon upgrade comes in. Can I keep the two 4000 and add another pair of GTX 680s or Titans in the expansion chassis for more performance with Resolve? In other words, can Resolve use two different GPU's simultaneously, or do they need to be the same cards?

Or if I go with a new MacPro, can I leverage the two AMD D700 GPUs in addition to the 4000's for Resolve?

Or would the two 700's just accelerate Premiere AE, etc?

This whole GPU thing gets confusing...;)

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