New project...

[Wayne Morellini]

I think the industry needs to realise that there needs to be a mass improvement in archive storage.

 

[Eric Lange]

I think the industry needs to realise that there needs to be a mass improvement in archive storage.

If you go to the British Museum you will see the 'Portland Vase" is not flowing very much, (in spite of having been vandalized at one time by a very drunk and disgruntled theology student) . Medi-evil glass can tend to flow a smidge over about 700 years. Roman (older) glass, (like the Portland Vase), is a "Soda" based glass is much more stable, chemically and dimensionally. In the nuclear industry (and related fields) they have very stable "Glasses" and Borosilicates and the like.

So "We" only need a ROM (Read only memory)... and the ability to cut to ROM. So even the first versions (prototype) of blue ray "Concept" or high density multilayered disks (23 years +) ago were using glass substrates and gold films. I.e. gold films don't corrode. So if you have something that's nearly the size of a vinyl LP or original "Laser disk" but reinforced glass substrate and thick gold films you could master to a pretty high density... That would actually be useful. You can build "Mother" machines or master machines that can read these disks no matter what for at least 50 years into the future ( have a few at the Library of Congress and the like just for "insurance").

Which begs the question that REDRAY and the 4k projector must be alive and well somewhere behind the scenes ;-).


On a tangent back to Racing Extinction, there were hints about the use of satellites. It's interesting in the developing world that "They" (without sounding too patronizing and or both ignorant), in certain regions don't break ground or earth for in ground cable/fiber infrastructure but have gone straight to cell usage instead (without laying a single in-ground cable). Many years ago Bill Gates wanted to launch a very tight network of low orbit satellites (non-geostationary) to form a high bandwidth communication "Net"; but I think the problem was that basically at such a low orbit the satellites would burn up at a faster rate (from rapidly decaying orbits) than the rate at which one could theoretically launch such satellites. More recently various agencies have been exploring very different concepts (such as solar powered planes) etc. to act as viable communication hubs. But That's still pretty far off for anything super practical right now.

So I'm wondering looking at "Racing Extinction" whether what will be as "New Project" is hidden in plane sight. I.e. They put the RED projector in a different housing (like Barco, Christie etc etc.) and they had a RED Ray in the "Boot" of the Tesla car?

 

[Wayne Morellini]

That's good Eric. I'm more worried about how glass flow affects optical processing structures anf data integrity on the nano meter recording scale (and that it still be flexible enough to avoid cracking and faults lines).. Do you know of anything out there on this subject?

Yes I had thought of a laser disk sized dusk in the past, but now much bigger, like a meter. You basically keep writing until it fills up. I did figures elsewhere, just how very little of it to store a feature. There is a lot more design to it of course.

I've been doing solutions for the satellite thing and we are lookimgnst fractions of the cost.

 

[Elsie N]

Whatever long, long, long term storage becomes a thing, I hope it is very expensive. If it is cheap there will be a lot of stuff stored that frankly, should be allowed to dissolve into the ether.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Ha, ha, not cheap enough to store the good stuff, I don't know how much rubbish most of us would

 

[Eric Lange]

Whatever long, long, long term storage becomes a thing, I hope it is very expensive. If it is cheap there will be a lot of stuff stored that frankly, should be allowed to dissolve into the ether.

I have to admit that's a weird thing to say... I originally trained as an archeological conservator and materials scientist (and became a pioneer in digital imaging in the service of conservation/cultural preservation of historic monuments and sights as well as world heritage sites)... So having worked on many archeological sites its the "Ephemera" that we really miss and crave that give us a clearer picture as to how people really lived and what their daily concerns were ... as human beings. Things that really speak (directly) from the past are so rare. The other thing is that institutions such as the Smithsonian and all its various entities and the Library of congress really struggle to record parts of their collection before they disintegrate (in an auto catalytic way) in spite of best practice and environmental storage. Take for example the City of Venice; certain parts of Venice can be preserved but ultimately the place is largely doomed to dissolve into the sea... So the best we can do is record what exists as best as we can as its not practical to "Save" or restore (but even then the surface area that needs to be recorded to sufficient detail is very daunting to say the least). By extension the "Racing Extinction" documentary and its special features with the idea of just pick one species no matter how obscure and try and champion that species; that's a very laudable and noble notion but as it is, its going to be a hell of struggle to even record the existence of a lot of species before they go extinct... That's how desperate the situation really is. So I hope archival media is indeed very very very cheap just so that institutions that don't have a lot of $$$$$$ to burn can actually create archives that can survive in a practical and useful way. Being affordable is one of the key elements to successful implementation. But unfortunately long term storage IS really expensive... That's kind of the problem :-(

 

[Marc Thorpe]

Knowing Jim this adventure goes beyond storage....

 

[Wayne Morellini]

I remember in the Buck Rogers television series. He meets a historian that knows about the past, that cowboys used to be law enforcement and such forth. So, do we want future generations to think funniest hone videos was everyday life for everybody, or people stick firecrackers you know where? Maybe 99% of something online service can be hosed as misinformation. So there is a lot of rubbish, archeology wise, that is less priority (and representative of people with issues frankly rather than everday life)..

 

[Marc Thorpe]

One man's trash, is another man's treasure. Gotta cater to the complete gamme...

 

[Eric Lange]

Knowing Jim this adventure goes beyond storage....

+1 on that. Even to implement these kinds of things a whole infra structure has to be built, and a "Way" of doing things (as he/Jannard says) and a fairly structured rationale to make everything hang together in a meaningful way, rather than necessarily delivering a better mousetrap/product or necessarily a single solution... Although the thing that is impressive is Jim Jannard's focus on delivering really good products and understanding his market as well as creating new markets. But in this case my instincts tell me that he/they/"New thing" may rely on broader industry cooperation. In other words the project may be larger than "RED" or Jannard "Enterprises"... You know... Like what the man is saying... "Big"... "Mind numbing" / complex?

 

[Eric Lange]

One man's trash, is another man's treasure. Gotta cater to the complete gamme...

+1 Totally.

 

[Elsie N]

I've got about 3 sacks of treasure in my garage if anyone want's to haul it away. '-)

 

[Wayne Morellini]

One man's trash, is another man's treasure. Gotta cater to the complete gamme...

To neurotics.

I've got about 3 sacks of treasure in my garage if anyone want's to haul it away. '-)

Three things Elsie. First, can you pay for a return ticket, second freight (gold or diamonds is it?), third, heavy loading equipment to get on the truck....

 

[Wayne Morellini]

If you go to the British Museum you will see the 'Portland Vase" is not flowing very much, (in spite of having been vandalized at one time by a very drunk and disgruntled theology student) . Medi-evil glass can tend to flow a smidge over about 700 years. Roman (older) glass, (like the Portland Vase), is a "Soda" based glass is much more stable, chemically and dimensionally. In the nuclear industry (and related fields) they have very stable "Glasses" and Borosilicates and the like.

Eric, I'm curious about medi-evil glass, are you mainly talking about glass stained church window panels? I'm interested, because they one of the original uses of Quantum Dots. I don't remember if the dots are solids or voids, but as voids, I'm interested if they structurely affect the flow of glass.

 

[Marc Thorpe]

I've got about 3 sacks of treasure in my garage if anyone want's to haul it away. '-)

Haha, indeed, I have some ready for collection too...

 

[Eric Lange]

@Wayne... http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/u...why-high-performance-glass-flows-and-how-fast

So they are saying that the glass on smart phones and tablets flows at a rate of about 10 micron a year (thus limiting the size of panel for displays) and they also claim that the "Flow" of Medi-evil glass is a "Myth" (i.e. it does not flow)... I have to admit there are some pretty convincing "Slumped" glass out there. But the modern tablets and large displays use "Mixed" alkalis i.e. Sodium and Potassium ions... Frankly I don't want to "junk up" this thread too much (too late) so I might bail on some of this. But you know, plow through the literature and perhaps bug Dow Corning. Some of the nuclear applications are somewhat classified unless you know who to talk to... I'm sure if you build photonic circuitry then someone will be interested and maybe later on can help sort out your stability issues. But typically engineers that have to actually build stuff tend to have more issues with thermal expansion of dissimilar coefficients/materials; anything that requires mating parts and precisions of less than 50 micron can run into trouble... Things tending towards the nano scale (i.e. sub micron) have to necessarily "Slide" or have kinematic correction or compensation ;-) .


[Footnote @Wayne II http://phys.org/news/2013-08-goblet-ancient-romans-nanotechnology.html You can find on the "Interweb" a lot of indirect references (in passing) about ancient glass and the "Use" of quantum dots... (or macro quantum effects; stained glass gets mentioned a lot) Frankly that's an odd way to "Twist things"... It's a bit like saying 30 thousand years ago Paleolithic / cave men and women were making carbon nano -tubes and bucky balls (i.e. soot from fire) and using them to paint the caves at Lascaux... Medi-evil artisans (making various types of glass) were applying alchemical recipes without any knowledge of the underlying physics... Even by the 1850's Michael Faraday really didn't have a handle on it either. So Dow Corning are your best/Goto guys as they have researchers that manage their ancient glass collections as well as researchers that are obviously trying to devise and understand every possible application for modern glasses and other classes of "Vitrified" materials. And yes as you have probably seen that a lot of new companies have sprung up touting the wondrous capabilities of applied "Quantum dots". http://phys.org/news/2013-02-world-sensitive-plasmon-resonance-sensor.html#nRlv (Plasmonic application also inspired by ancient Roman cup... sensor with increased sensitivity and tunable "Color" sensitivity) ].

 

[Wayne Morellini]

@Wayne... http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/u...why-high-performance-glass-flows-and-how-fast

So they are saying that the glass on smart phones and tablets flows at a rate of about 10 micron a year (thus limiting the size of panel for displays) and they also claim that the "Flow" of Medi-evil glass is a "Myth" (i.e. it does not flow)... I have to admit there are some pretty convincing "Slumped" glass out there. But the modern tablets and large displays use "Mixed" alkalis i.e. Sodium and Potassium ions... Frankly I don't want to "junk up" this thread too much (too late) so I might bail on some of this. But you know, plow through the literature and perhaps bug Dow Corning. Some of the nuclear applications are somewhat classified unless you know who to talk to... I'm sure if you build photonic circuitry then someone will be interested and maybe later on can help sort out your stability issues. But typically engineers that have to actually build stuff tend to have more issues with thermal expansion of dissimilar coefficients/materials; anything that requires mating parts and precisions of less than 50 micron can run into trouble... Things tending towards the nano scale (i.e. sub micron) have to necessarily "Slide" or have kinematic correction or compensation ;-) .

Eric, you are faaar too late for junking up this thread, that's long gone. Jim will just come along and make announcement thread when he is ready as usual.

Eric, don't worry about it too much, I'm not too interested in the other glass stuff, just asking if you heard about the quantum dot thing this time. I'm talking about others making a stable optical.block system, as electronics will often fail before. So, taking account of thermal expansion is something you can figure puy, but random flow of even nano meters per year might break data alignment and circuites in an optical block device eventually. Nothing we need to be interested in, unless we have work in it.

Now back to the rampant thread junking speculation on Jim's new project.

It could be a new form of glass, that allows you to see into the future from one side,l 40 years, and 40 years into the past from the otherside, so one can see oneself broke from both sides.

 

[Wayne Morellini]

Hmm, right up front they said something wrong in that article "at room temperature" What is room temperature, and they did not mention the elephant in the room, sunlight through the glass raising the temperature. Isn't mythbusters like statements grand. The gorilla glass is suspected of flow due to cavity in the atomic structure, pretty much my concern about the quantum dots. Thanks for that Eric.

 

[Simon Dunne]

Is he going to buy back Oakley?

 

[Elsie N]

Is he going to buy back Oakley?

No, but yours is the more plausible guess in a long time. '-)