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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New MacPro predictions? Hopes? Fears?

Lol! Read it. Looks like they are making my Modular Mac proposal I have been posting about since last year, maybe the year before.

It will be intersting to see how it stacks up against my original design. Usually people/government stuff it up when they do this without consulting me. It requires heaps of fine tuning of the form with an get inate balance, chucking away inefficient fancies for what is good.

And for the doubters, me and separately a freind of mine, did design propsal stuff from the 90's etc that was i product like, and even Johnathon Ives like in my case (we seem to have similar genetic basis that influences thinking, and I too do heaps of designs and mockups handling to get the fine details if the human factor).
 
That reminds me of the Sun SPARCstation IPC. I can't find the magazine ad, so this will have to do:

sparcstation-ipc-05.jpg
 
Yes, read my posts, a vertical rack verses horizontal distributed stack for better cooling in a compact space and easy assembly and additions (this is ample for our current workflows, but the multipoint pro camera (not hydrogen 1) we are looking at a fleet or arm/GPU to keep heat down a bit).

Now, as Apple is in play, the nvidia Volta based Xavier chip is not the only proferred chip the hydrogen could use without red custom circuity, the next generation Apple chips are also possibilities).

Explains a lot, Red is setting up a processing solution for the future.

If it is not Intel based, it spells trouble for Intel, as they have indcated their next generation solution and Apple at least probably has seen it, which could mean they are going with another future solution based on a cost, practicallity or and efficency basis.
 
Good days.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
Lol! Read it. Looks like they are making my Modular Mac proposal I have been posting about since last year, maybe the year before.

It will be intersting to see how it stacks up against my original design. Usually people/government stuff it up when they do this without consulting me. It requires heaps of fine tuning of the form with an get inate balance, chucking away inefficient fancies for what is good.

And for the doubters, me and separately a freind of mine, did design propsal stuff from the 90's etc that was i product like, and even Johnathon Ives like in my case (we seem to have similar genetic basis that influences thinking, and I too do heaps of designs and mockups handling to get the fine details if the human factor).
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I read a sentence into this post and my eyes nearly rolled out of my head.
 
Well, try to be humble and read the history.
 
Well, Donald if you want a pat. It is real, I'm not going give up all the kudos to those who come after. I've had so many fake people pass by or make comments, forgive me putting reality in their greedy little faces. So, what do these people care about anything worth it?? I speak less than 1% of it but some leave little to the imagination about their integrity.
 
Rumors are fun!

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/waiting-for-mac-pro-7-1.1975126/page-251#post-25097373

Apple has two prototypes under design and evaluation now. I've only seen one.

The smaller one - the one I've seen - is almost finished. It is code-named "Monolith." It's a Space Gray aluminum slab mounted vertically on a polished black solid aluminum pedestal. It's beautiful (really gorgeous!), and it would look good on top of a desk or beside one.

It's opened like a clamshell, with the entire top and front coming off after pressing a single cleverly hidden button on the back. A clear polycarbonate shield partially covers much of the guts while opened. Under the shield is a cage containing containing two cards, mounted close, back to back, with heat sinks extending outward from the two cards. The system is air cooled by two fans from the bottom.

One card is a single CPU processor board. It is not intended to be user replaceable (that's the plan so far, it seems), but it looks easy to do. Indeed, it was mounted on rails, and had little grips at the top for pulling it out (think PDP-8 modules). I wasn't allowed to know what processor family will be used (not even Intel vs. AMD), but I do know it has 8 RAM slots, which are accessed through gaps in the polycarbonate shield.

A second, single, graphics board adheres to the PCI standard electrically, but uses a non-standard physical form-factor that matches the size and shape of the CPU card. It's also slid in on rails from the top and is definitely intended to be user-replaceable. Again, I wasn't told which company the GPU is from or whether both AMD and Nvidia would be supported. People were non-nonchalant about it and hence I assumed it would be AMD only, but given that it's fundamentally a PCI card, I could imagine possibilities.

Another set of rails allows user-insertion of four M.2 flash cards via small "sleds." One small thumb screw is used to hold the M.2 cards into the sleds, and the design looks really easy to use. I was told that all 4-drive RAID modalities are supported. All four were loaded in the test mule I saw, and wow, it was fast! Sorry, though, there is no provision for 2.5" or other form-factors - it's M.2 only. I couldn't tell if they were normal M.2 or Apple-proprietary.

At the back are the usual set of ports, looking about the same as what the iMac Pro has, but I didn't really pay much attention to them.

I was told the other prototype is larger, which I took to mean "dual processor and/or dual GPU's and/or multiple 2.5" drives." I was told it is more in flux at the moment, yet it will be finished before a final decision is made. The people showing this one were really proud, though, and eager to get it approved.

I liked it! Totally drool-worthy! Be nice and maybe I'll tell you about the monitor! :)
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Interesting development.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1212...devices-with-long-battery-life-intel-responds

If the majority of Windows 10 users are Laptop users &
More interested in Battery life & usability over absolute power:
==> Could Qualcomm with Snapdragon 835 be ‘Good enough’ to create a meaningful ARM ecosystem on Windows?

Would software companies recompile their offerings into ARM compatible binaries with the expectation that the Snapdragon 845 is just around the corner ... or that the Qualcomm 2400 ARM server chip finds its way into a Windows 10 desktop?

https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2...ntriq-2400-worlds-first-10nm-server-processor

Sounds like Intel have a new headache to contend with.

One of the reasons Apple have remained x86 is because of Boot Camp and the desire to ability to run their Windows apps by people buying their laptops.

I wonder how strong the Apple <-> Intel relationship is?

With TSMC, Samsung & GF 7nm overtaking Intel’s process lead, and Apple driving these companies - I wonder if Apple would consider a new direction for their Modular Mac Pro?

AJ
 
Still getting this statement from Apple...

"In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest performance, high-throughput system in a modular, upgradeable design, as well as a new high-end pro display."
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Time to save for that $20K beast.
 
Daniel Murphy said:
Time to save for that $20K beast.
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Yep
EPYC 7551P $ 2.000
256 GB RAM (8x32GB DDR4 2666) $ 3.200
3x VEGA FE $ 3.000
1x highpoint SSD7101a + 4x960pro 1TB $ 2.900
Motherboard supermicro H11SSL-i $ 600
DeckLink 4K Extreme 12G $900
Computer case+psu+fans+coolers $1.000
2x 5k screen $ 3.000
8 WD pro 8TB in raid10 $ 2.600
1 bootdrive 960pro $ 625

Makes around $ 20.000
 
I'm not scared of spending $20K on a workstation, as long as it can pay for itself as a tool. The config that Misha notes looks like a shredder.

Will be curious to hear performance notes from iMacPro folk doing 8K workflows. If you're running a decent sized post facility, you have certain needs - if you are a RED owner/op or in house post, would the iMacPro be enough?

Cheers - #19
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
If you're running a decent sized post facility, you have certain needs - if you are a RED owner/op or in house post, would the iMacPro be enough?

Cheers - #19
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It all depends on what software your using. 20k on a premiere setup is a complete waste where Resolve can use the next level cpu and multi GPU's. $ is better spent on a windows workstation for high end workflows. For a fraction, I can build one hell of a custom water-cooled workstation.
 
Chad Lancaster said:
It all depends on what software your using. 20k on a premiere setup is a complete waste where Resolve can use the next level cpu and multi GPU's. $ is better spent on a windows workstation for high end workflows. For a fraction, I can build one hell of a custom water-cooled workstation.
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Lots of use cases to consider. To me, the iMacPro fits a lot of RedUsers who need enough grunt to work with 8K motion imagery - with all the conveniences of an all in one (AIO) form factor, OSX, etc.

My curiosity is just how big of a performance delta there would be between $7K-ish iMacPro (10c/64GB/Vega64/1TB) and other options near that price. If, as I suspect, it would take at least $5K (sans monitor) to do a custom build capable of significantly better performance in the applications typical RedUsers rely on - I'd take the AIO every time.

Cheers - #19
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
Lots of use cases to consider. To me, the iMacPro fits a lot of RedUsers who need enough grunt to work with 8K motion imagery - with all the conveniences of an all in one (AIO) form factor, OSX, etc.

My curiosity is just how big of a performance delta there would be between $7K-ish iMacPro (10c/64GB/Vega64/1TB) and other options near that price. If, as I suspect, it would take at least $5K (sans monitor) to do a custom build capable of significantly better performance in the applications typical RedUsers rely on - I'd take the AIO every time.

Cheers - #19
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Let's give it a shot

AMD TR1950x+Asrock Fatal gaming with 10Gbe $ 1.370 (3.7 GHz 16c/32t vs. 3.0 GHz 10c/20t) (25..75% faster in multi thread).
DDR4 3200 cl14 $ 1.030 (DDR4 3200 cl14 vs. DDR4 2666 cl 19) (20% faster).
2x VEGA FE $ 2.000 (2x higher clocked VEGA 16 GB vs. 1x lower clocked VEGA 16 GB) (upto 100% faster in Resolve).
1x 960 pro 512 GB boot and software 2x 960 pro 512 GB scratch $ 1.000 (seperate scratch drive vs. combined boot and scratch drive) (is faster but don't know how much, pugetsystems made an article about it why to use a separate scratch disk).
1x PSU 1000 Watt titanium $ 300
1x cooler Noctua 14 cm $ 70 (yes you can overclock the TR1950x to 3,9 GHz with this cooler).
1x Case $ 100
1x small material $ 100
1x 5k calibrated display 10 bit (philips, HP, etc.) $ 1.500

Totals around $ 7.500 vs. $ 7.200 for the mac.
I use davinci resolve and fusion for post production and I guess most apple users will use Final cut and Logic.

Do the math and see what fits you best.
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
Lots of use cases to consider. To me, the iMacPro fits a lot of RedUsers who need enough grunt to work with 8K motion imagery - with all the conveniences of an all in one (AIO) form factor, OSX, etc.

My curiosity is just how big of a performance delta there would be between $7K-ish iMacPro (10c/64GB/Vega64/1TB) and other options near that price. If, as I suspect, it would take at least $5K (sans monitor) to do a custom build capable of significantly better performance in the applications typical RedUsers rely on - I'd take the AIO every time.

Cheers - #19
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The one thing that has me on the fence about the Imac Pro is the monitor- it is not a true color grading monitor and I am wondering if money is better spent on the best monitor available, go with a minimum 8k capable PC build and see what Apple comes out with in a modular system. That being said can anybody suggest a 24" or so grading monitor that travels well?
 
I agree, I'm a bit disappointed with the iMac Pro. There was to be a HP z1 touch slate version of the iMac with TV years ago. A 30-40 inch version if that, with upto 4x pcix16 user configurable flat side down slots on the back,there would be enough room to best the current Max Pro. With that area, a true heavy weight processor could be thermally accommodated. Instead, we have an idea that the iMac should look pretty from all sides, versus an opportunity to ramp up on the back.

I think a rec2020 post 10 bit quality grading display is desirable, especially on a bigger machine like I am describing. It still won't out do a proper modular Mac Pro though.
 
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