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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

new Mac Pros

I hope it comes soon and it's something worth the wait.
 
I'm calling bullshit on this story.

It may be true, but the timing makes little sense in relation to the rest of the market. It made sense for Apple to announce a new Mac Pro for sometime this year. The reasonable thing to expect is that it will arrive with the next round of Xeon CPUs. Originally, that was supposed to be around the end of March or sometime in April. It seems the Xeon refresh is now delayed until later this year, although no firm announcement from Intel has happened on that front. If the next chips are in fact delayed and Apple releases this spring, that would put them in the position of launching a new product near the very end of an Intel CPU cycle. Something Apple has never done and is very unlikely to do -- the tech-follower types will all laugh at them. So, I think we're just witnessing more speculation and hopeful BS.
 
I've thought of that too... Based on what I know, it should only require a modified PSU to comply. And that would let them extend the sales life of the current Mac Pro into the EU market for the next 4 to 6 months as we wait for Intel to launch the next round.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
I'm calling bullshit on this story.

It may be true, but the timing makes little sense in relation to the rest of the market. It made sense for Apple to announce a new Mac Pro for sometime this year. The reasonable thing to expect is that it will arrive with the next round of Xeon CPUs. Originally, that was supposed to be around the end of March or sometime in April. It seems the Xeon refresh is now delayed until later this year, although no firm announcement from Intel has happened on that front. If the next chips are in fact delayed and Apple releases this spring, that would put them in the position of launching a new product near the very end of an Intel CPU cycle. Something Apple has never done and is very unlikely to do -- the tech-follower types will all laugh at them. So, I think we're just witnessing more speculation and hopeful BS.
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Is that date from Intel consumer availability though? I thought, in the past, Apple was able to procure chips from intel a month or three prior to "ship date". In the amounts that we're walking about, is that so far out of the question of plausibility? It's not like they need 25 million chips prior to "ship date". A few hundred thousand is still a lot, sure, but it's all relative. That could be a "small pre-run" for Intel, no? Maybe? I'm just thinking out loud here.
 
We don't know. But even at Apple's best in terms of securing exclusives -- like they did with the first 3.2GHz quad-core Xeons in 2008, HP and others still had their systems announced before Apple, just couldn't ship with those exclusive chips. Apple had a 60 day exclusive on them. HP successfully lobbied for an exclusive on the 3.33GHz with the following generation. When Apple had the exclusive, HP was shipping the 2.8 and 3.0 GHz quad-core chips in their systems for nearly 45 days before Apple shipped a single system. Apple waited for their exclusive chip deal before launching, it wasn't the first of the new chips to be ready at that time.

That said, what are they going to get early? None of the new stuff is ready. Intel has already stated that they are missing the intended launch of the Ivy Bridge Xeons and their release is pushed back by a number of months. Nothing more specific than that, but wild speculation is saying September to November timeframe on the new Intel chips.

Of course I'm speculating too, but I'm betting we see the new Mac Pros when the new Xeon chips are ready to go. And I'm betting the new Mac Pros will be one of the first, if not the first, systems to ship with those CPUs. Given the delays, I think spring is highly unlikely, unless Apple launches a product supporting the current (and about to be replaced) Xeon lineup.
 
Jeff, from an engineering perspective, are the new CPUs something that could be pretty much just dropped in and then you're good? Meaning, can Apple design everything else and just be waiting on the CPU? Or do decisions have to be made with the CPU in hand to make sure everything checks out. I can't imagine wanting to go to market without doing significant testing on a product like this, but I'm also not well versed in the computer engineering workflow.
 
not holding my breath on this one either. i get the feeling i'd get all worked up to only to see an existing mac pro with an EU-compliant power supply be released.

which, of course, is exactly what we've all been waiting for.

why you gotta treat us this way, mac pro? for years we've defended our relationship with you while all our friends told us to be with a PC.

"that girl's a gold-digger" they'd say.

"sure she's pretty, but she's stupid".

we knew better. we've loved you all along. despite having to buy you proprietary and marked-up things because the accessories 'those PC girls' use were just below you.

but now that your little sisters ipad and iphone opened their brothel and the public streamed in, you sit back getting fat off of their spoils. your processors creaking under commonplace audio / visual tasks.

you won't even let me put my thunderbolt inside you.
 
Kyle Gentz said:
Its called a Hackintosh.
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Hackintosh you can buy in EU officially for so many years:

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http://www.pearc.de
 
I'm sitting on the fence on this one but I have a funny feeling the MP refresh may happen sooner rather than later!

I think Apple would still sell a s*it load of MP's if they use the current generation Xeons and add Thunderbolt, USB 3 and some new Graphics card options etc. This way, they can match the best that HP and Dell have to offer.

The Ivy bridge Xeons will be more powerful, BUT I'm not the sure the performance jump will be that big....Jeff, you're probably best qualified to let us know about the new Xeons performance.

Best wishes

Scott
 
I see what Jeff is saying, but I agree with Nick. There's no reason why Apple can't release a new completely redesigned Mac Pro now that utilizes current logic boards and CPUs and then upgrade that redesign with newer logic boards and CPUs at the end of the year. In fact it makes sense, rather than Apple potentially lose a lot of business on an entire continent. Sure Mac Pros aren't that much of their business compared to other things, but I don't see Apple letting itself be out of that part of the market in EU for several months. If they did there'd be no better reason for people to jump ship to Windows workstations leaving that much uncertainty. It's become more important than ever for Apple to release a new Mac Pro asap, and not just with re-engineering the current Mac Pro, which they've made clear is a dead design and wouldn't invest the money in it.
 
One thing Steve Jobs did was pick really brilliant talent to work on his team. Chances are some of those people will be around for the Mac Pros future.
 
Mike Halper said:
I see what Jeff is saying, but I agree with Nick. There's no reason why Apple can't release a new completely redesigned Mac Pro now that utilizes current logic boards and CPUs and then upgrade that redesign with newer logic boards and CPUs at the end of the year. In fact it makes sense, rather than Apple potentially lose a lot of business on an entire continent. Sure Mac Pros aren't that much of their business compared to other things, but I don't see Apple letting itself be out of that part of the market in EU for several months. If they did there'd be no better reason for people to jump ship to Windows workstations leaving that much uncertainty. It's become more important than ever for Apple to release a new Mac Pro asap, and not just with re-engineering the current Mac Pro, which they've made clear is a dead design and wouldn't invest the money in it.
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I'd argue it's less important for Apple now, more than ever, to do anything with the Mac Pro. More than 50% of their profit (not gross, NET profit) comes from iPhones. Not apps, not iPods and iPads and iPhones. Just iPhones. Another 20+ percent is just iPads.

More importantly, last I knew, the current Xeon processors are incapable of utilizing Thunderbolt. Which means Apple could release a Mac Pro with just USB 3.0, but since they are the champions of Thunderbolt, they'd never do that. No way. People would take it as admittance that USB 3.0 is the future, even though Thunderbolt is a wider bandwitdh and a smaller connector.
 
Edit: ended up deleting the comment.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
I'm calling bullshit on this story.

It may be true, but the timing makes little sense in relation to the rest of the market. It made sense for Apple to announce a new Mac Pro for sometime this year. The reasonable thing to expect is that it will arrive with the next round of Xeon CPUs. Originally, that was supposed to be around the end of March or sometime in April. It seems the Xeon refresh is now delayed until later this year, although no firm announcement from Intel has happened on that front. If the next chips are in fact delayed and Apple releases this spring, that would put them in the position of launching a new product near the very end of an Intel CPU cycle. Something Apple has never done and is very unlikely to do -- the tech-follower types will all laugh at them. So, I think we're just witnessing more speculation and hopeful BS.
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I may be out of my depth contradicting you, but I don't see why apple would wait on a new chipset with no guaranteed release date when: (a) they are already losing customers over a lack of [perceived] power and features (b) the last generation of chips experienced HUGE delays and they got flack for deciding to wait for the release before a Pro upgrade.

I don't see a problem with upgrading the architecture and then releasing a model refresh when the [now delayed] Xeon refresh arrives.

Tell me why I'm wrong.
 
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