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New Lithium Battery Regulations

scott, thanks for your reply I note your comments and the ABs look good and are actually available everywhere. If only Red would certify them as Leo has already pointed out. Any comments from anyone at Red would be welcome on this point.

It's a little annoying to have to invest in yet another charging and battery system having only got my Red Bricks a few months ago and I was actually considering getting a few more... but now I think not.
 
Nova Invicta said:
Red have continually failed to supply conformity information for Europe to meet CE requirements so the batteries being turned back from France could have equally been for this reason. Red need to understand international as well as US regulations a common mistake of many US companies (there is a world outside of the USA)
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Thousands of cameras in the field globally - check

CE certified - check

Dangerous Goods certification through IATA - check

Understand there is a world outside of USA - Yes...check

Nova, feel free to PM me if you have any information you would like me to relay to our logistics team that you feel we are missing.

BC
 
Hello,

since on the list of countries not having delivered dangerous goods are even EU-member countries, wouldn't it be possible that your English office (well, the one that is doing the upgrades and services cameras) would be selling or at least shipping the batteries for you to some of the countries?

Anyway, for most European users buying RED goods from England would be much cheaper (regarding customs, shipping costs, delivery times etc.). Maybe RED could ship all products except cameras from the English office to European customers?

LP, m.
 
Leo Ticheli said:
I understand the goal of reducing camera weight, but Lithium batteries are a poor choice for reasons all too obvious in this thread.

I consider myself a fan, but not a fan-boy, so I feel free to point out what I believe is a tactical error on Red's part. This camera is now widely accepted as an industry standard and as such it should certainly be completely qualified to operate with the industry standard batteries! If they can certify a lens mount, they can do the same with batteries.

Of course my Red does in fact work perfectly with the Anton Bauer 140s, but I'm certain that many, if not most, of us would love to see Red certify Anton Bauer, perhaps others, for use with Red. On the over-volt issue, Anton Bauer is working it now. A new regulated plate should insure compatibility.

This does not mean that Red need abandon their own batteries or continue development of the new, safer variety of Lithium cells. Certainly the hand-held and Steadicam guys need a lighter solution.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo
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I completely agree that it's no logics in why they're not certifying AB, except for the obvious ones. :wink:

I also want to add that AB's Dionic 90's are less then 8 grams and you can therefor carry on as many as you like.
 
Leo Ticheli said:
Unfortunately, the TSA is one big, fat, pathetic joke that absolutely fails to enhance safety while providing inconvenience in abundance.

Yes, you got lucky. What if they had confiscated your batteries? What if they hauled you in for the third degree just short of water-boarding?

How would that have affected your production schedule?

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo
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Completely agree, Leo...the TSA is a joke that primarily results in the hilarity of inconveniencing honest travelers. If someone wants to do something destructive...unfortunately, it's as good as done.
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi Stephan,

They are classified the same as dynamite, just rather more dangerous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeWq6rWzChw&feature=related

Hardly stupid or hypo critic.

Stephen
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Re-read my post.
You got it wrong.

They can't explode over France, but it is perfectly okay if they explode in USA.

Second of all, out of hundereds of Li-ION camera batteries I have seen, or people I work with, nobody ever experienced or heard of camera battery exploding.


More over,
BLUESHAPE company, which makes RED batteries and RED Chargers,
still have no issues shipping their products to EU countries (as I know for most of them ).

Regards

Stephan
 
I am planning to bring 3 REDs and all of the batteries for the upgrade... now i assume i would have trouble with the 12 batteries? How should i proceed?
 
orlando said:
Second of all, out of hundereds of Li-ION camera batteries I have seen, or people I work with, nobody ever experienced or heard of camera battery exploding.
Regards

Stephan
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Hi,

Just because you don't have any personal experience of a problem does not make them safe for air transport on passenger air lines. There have been many incidents in the last 15 years, Sony even recalled all their batteries

http://techthoughts.org/2008/01/12/fletcher-cchicago-ditches-lithium-ion-after-fire/

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ntsb-laptopbattery-upsfire,3131.html

Stephen

Edit, btw Fire extinguishers on a plain have no effect on a lithium fire.
 
This rule is very sad. I have mailed TSA guys several times when this where just a suggestion of new rules. The main idea is to increase safety, but this in IMHO will just make plane travel more dangerous. People like us that need batts to work, will just find another way of bringing that power anyway, that just is not regulated. ... but mabye more dangerous.

Industrial pro batts are pretty safe. That is just this tinkering around with "home-built" batts that are dangerous, but that is just what will happened more now.

Very, very, very stupid rule.
 
JanneJansson said:
This rule is very sad. I have mailed TSA guys several times when this where just a suggestion of new rules. The main idea is to increase safety, but this in IMHO will just make plane travel more dangerous. People like us that need batts to work, will just find another way of bringing that power anyway, that just is not regulated. ... but mabye more dangerous.

Industrial pro batts are pretty safe. That is just this tinkering around with "home-built" batts that are dangerous, but that is just what will happened more now.

Very, very, very stupid rule.
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Just what are you suggesting? What "other way" are you contemplating to get your Lithium batteries on board an aircraft?

One more thought; I don't fancy the idea of flying with devices that are "pretty safe."

Best regards,

Leo
 
We put guys on the moon, we have robots on Mars. I'm sure there is better ways. One ways is to have the batt brand rated. If the batt burns often, then it have a low rating. If the band never burns, then it have the "safe" rating. That way stimulates building of safe batts from a technical aspect. But what do I know, I'm not an FAA expert, just a small working guy.
 
JanneJansson said:
We put guys on the moon, we have robots on Mars. I'm sure there is better ways. One ways is to have the batt brand rated. If the batt burns often, then it have a low rating. If the band never burns, then it have the "safe" rating. That way stimulates building of safe batts from a technical aspect. But what do I know, I'm not an FAA expert, just a small working guy.
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Hi,

Many of the main manufactures have had battery recalls, it just takes 1 tiny bit of impurity in the factory and the batteries can become unstable.

What is wrong with renting batteries at the destination?

Stephen
 
Stephen Williams said:
What is wrong with renting batteries at the destination?
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The time it take to administrate this. The quality of the equipment. The extra cost, and the biggest reason is if you do wild life films, most places don't have rental house. Most places we go to don't have nothing.

I just use the batt-type that not banned. I have used RC-batt before just because they are good and don't cost much. Seems to be allowed to bring as-much Lithium ion batts as you can carry if they are small. So if you have batt that are in Lego-style in many small pieces, and re-assemble them, No problem :)
 
Nikolai Pigarev said:
I am planning to bring 3 REDs and all of the batteries for the upgrade... now i assume i would have trouble with the 12 batteries? How should i proceed?
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Nikolai, it expressly states in the upgrade email what should be sent in and what should not. RED BRICKS should not be. They do not get "upgraded". Anything with a battery plate gets upgraded to current gen....

BC
 
Hi, I'm new to this forum. I just want to know is RED BRICKS the only power solution for the RED One camera?
 
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