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New HDR camera promo

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im mostly referring to a new generation of film makers who will come up in the HDR world.. and wont learn how to light a scene, but rather use HDR on everything..

im not talking about the guys who use it selectively when they need too
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
could be.
put it this way.. i havent seen any example of HDR that i knew was HDR that i thought looked legit.
technology is getting better so i dont plan on feeling this way forever.

this video just made me want to throw up


and, wasnt trying to be disrespectful of anyone.
I just KNOW that one day, when readily available, people are going to be non stop using HDR, and that makes me sad for the art
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Here's a little better example than that video, by Vincent Laforet, partly shot with Epic HDRx... and partly not.

http://vimeo.com/24859321

...have a looksee at the video, see if you dislike (or even recognize) the use of HDRI there. After going through the video, read the blog entry that shows two examples where HRI was used - did you guess right?

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2011/06/09/red-epic-5k-and-hdrx/

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Tasteful use of HDRI isn't much different from exposing for highlights and compensating for that in post. As said, just another tool that can be used well, or, er, not so well.
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
could be.
put it this way.. i havent seen any example of HDR that i knew was HDR that i thought looked legit.
technology is getting better so i dont plan on feeling this way forever.

this video just made me want to throw up


and, wasnt trying to be disrespectful of anyone.
I just KNOW that one day, when readily available, people are going to be non stop using HDR, and that makes me sad for the art
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I figured you were trying to say something along those lines Zak; just felt compelled to clarify.

Robert Frank said:
Of course you can't judge a book by its cover.

BUT it's the best way to sell one.
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I can't disagree, as much as I wish this weren't the case. :)

The video does show, at least to those that understand cameras, that the concept of a dedicated HDR motion camera using a mirror and 2 sensor (that is what they are doing here, right?) would be a useful tool to have available for specialty shots.

I couldn't say the video made me want to use their blending algorithms. However, those might work as rough on-set exposure guides. The idea of course would be to blend the RAW yourself.
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
maybe im just getting old.. but, i just cant respect HDR.. I cant respect "dps" who rely on HDR instead of lighting properly.
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For the love of God can we please squash these ignorant, misguided and simply wrong concepts of what HDR is and isn't once and for all.

HDR is not Local Tonemapping.
HDR does not help people light 'properly' it's just additional dynamic range.
HDR does not require an HDR display to be useful. (If there is enough contrast in your subject matter it'll just look like a regular image)
Film compared to video cameras is HDR. (In fact with some stocks having 16 stops of dynamic range... film is HDR.)
HDR's entire range doesn't need to be viewed directly to be useful. (You can use the overbright information for post diffusion, flaring, lighting analysis etc.)


I'm not going to say "you're getting old" because I know plenty of people in their 60s who understand this and it would be insulting to them to suggest that they can't understand what HDR is and Isn't.

If you can't respect a DP who uses HDR then you can't respect any DP who has shot on negative film. I can't respect someone who would waste hours of valuable time on set gelling windows if extra dynamic range in the picture would accomplish the same thing with a quick grade. I can't respect someone who would feel compelled to spend hours on set trying to lower the contrast of the scene so that it could fit into the very limited range of the sensor. You know what I do when I'm lighting a shot and it's just clipping a bit too much? I don't waste time going through and dimming everything... I just increase the dynamic range a bit (yay virtual cinematography!) and it's way quicker and easier--but produces the exact same result.
 
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there is nothing wrong with HDR, it is a very good tool when used properly. of course it's great to light a scene properly when you have control of the scene, but that's simply not always the case. tone-mapping doesn't have to be overdone... and i believe it can yield very natural, beautiful results. some that you couldn't get with your camera otherwise... here's an example i like to use from rome. no way i could have captured this without knowing and using HDR techniques. it could have been pushed to ridiculous levels, but there's a thing called restraint.

people just need some time to adjust to this new thing. just like DOF... it all gets overused until people learn how to use it artistically.
 
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