New Epic Grip..

[Ketch Rossi]

The Grip for both the Epic and the Scarlet represent an important factor for me and my Personal and Professional work, especially so for the EPIC, my camera of choice, with the Epic-X and later with the Epic 645, were I do most of my Still work hand held and with the weight of Camera System and RPP's I needed the absolute best and most comfortable Grip possible.

Well after having the pleasure of holding the Epic-X with the RPZ 17-50mm with Jim, and the Epic-X with the RPP 50mm with Jarred, I must say that the final design and fill of the RED GRIP is simply fantastic, and I now fill extremely pleased and look forward in spending hours at the time hand holding the camera during both work and pleasure.


No pics posted, so many every were on the forum, he he.

 

[michael zaletel]

Thanks Ketch. Good to know.

-michael zaletel

 

[J. Bernard Vallon]

i have to disagree. the optical center of the lens is very far to the left of the grip, putting a lot of torque on the wrist.

By the time this camera is built with a big lens and the bomb evf and such, its going to be a pain to hand hold. The Stills Grip should be pitched 45 or 90 degrees so holding the camera to your eye is like holding binoculars, it would be more natural.

 

[Justin O'Neill]

i have to disagree. the optical center of the lens is very far to the left of the grip, putting a lot of torque on the wrist.

By the time this camera is built with a big lens and the bomb evf and such, its going to be a pain to hand hold. The Stills Grip should be pitched 45 or 90 degrees so holding the camera to your eye is like holding binoculars, it would be more natural.

That is the beauty of modular design. If you are shooting in handheld SLR mode just put on a light weight lens. If you put an Optimo on a 5D mk2 it would be awefully uncomfortable too! RED has mentioned that they are working on different style handles and i heard a couple people ask for a pitched side handle so there is no reason they wouldn't make one if enough people ask for it. Tonaci and I interviewed Ted and he stated a couple times that if enough people ask for a module they will make it.

 

[A. Clint Litton]

I had a question about connecting the Epic handle to the body...I haven't seen from the many pictures any kind of electronic contacts on the body where the handle/grip will go, so how does it communicate with the body?

If there isn't a contact that it needs to mate with, maybe something along the lines of JBV's comment is possible with an intermediate piece, whereby you could adjust the angle/position of the side grip for different ergonomics or uses. Of course, there's always the other multitude of hand grip options without the electronics for motion shooting, though having all those controls at one's fingertips while shooting in an unconventional stills setup would be fantastic...

 

[JohnF]

i have to disagree. the optical center of the lens is very far to the left of the grip, putting a lot of torque on the wrist

Modular design allows for balancing! For example position the battery pack to offset said torque.

My first video camera had a similar hand grip that, once the camera was balanced, was by far and away the most comfortable and above all practical cameras for shooting I have ever used.


JohnF

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Thanks Ketch. Good to know.

-michael zaletel

Most welcome Michael.

i have to disagree. the optical center of the lens is very far to the left of the grip, putting a lot of torque on the wrist.

By the time this camera is built with a big lens and the bomb evf and such, its going to be a pain to hand hold. The Stills Grip should be pitched 45 or 90 degrees so holding the camera to your eye is like holding binoculars, it would be more natural.

I respectfully Disagree with you Disagreeing, he he.

With over twenty year of Still Photography shooting, I have handle just about, and this is literally true, any and every camera made in the past thirty years!

My favorites ones this past years have been the Compact Canon 1D series, the Mamiya, Phase One and off course the Hassy.

The Medium Format cameras, is more were I compare the GRIP of the EPIC to, and I have always wished I could have more flexibility with were to rest my eye, and not rub my nose and face against the display.

Also especially so with larger lenses, it is always tiring to the wrist especially, when things are out of balance, mostly all the time in any camera ever used.

Enter EPIC, the grip is wide in off to make it a hand full, very important to get a good grip of it, especially when hand holding 10 to 15 pounds!

The balance of the Epic held it by its Grip, felt extremely well balanced with both the RPZ 17-50mm and or the RPP 50mm, I'm absolutely confident that I will be shooting with the RPP 300mm no problem at all, but vs. the Canon with the EF 400 f/2.8L IS, I will now be able to mount either the BOMB EVF and or RED's LCD's either the 7" or the 9" any were I wish, and on top also mount any additional accessories to better assist me in any shooting style.

At the end I'm extremely pleased with the design, and I in fact sold all my "SEVEN" cameras Canon, Phase oNe and Hassy included, as to leave to EPIC the responsibility to do all my shooting, in any STILL work environment, no need to mention any Motion work as obviously this is the Main reason for which I'm buying, he he.

 

[Jason Ing]

i have to disagree. the optical center of the lens is very far to the left of the grip, putting a lot of torque on the wrist.

By the time this camera is built with a big lens and the bomb evf and such, its going to be a pain to hand hold. The Stills Grip should be pitched 45 or 90 degrees so holding the camera to your eye is like holding binoculars, it would be more natural.

You might want to try cradle holding the lens with your left hand if you push the button with your right (or vice versa). Lessens the torque.

But then again, judging from your avatar, if you have to hold your giggling models captive while you shoot, I can understand you disagreeing. :laugh:

 

[Jason Ing]

The Grip for both the Epic and the Scarlet represent an important factor for me and my Personal and Professional work, especially so for the EPIC, my camera of choice, with the Epic-X and later with the Epic 645, were I do most of my Still work hand held and with the weight of Camera System and RPP's I needed the absolute best and most comfortable Grip possible.

Well after having the pleasure of holding the Epic-X with the RPZ 17-50mm with Jim, and the Epic-X with the RPP 50mm with Jarred, I must say that the final design and fill of the RED GRIP is simply fantastic, and I now fill extremely pleased and look forward in spending hours at the time hand holding the camera during both work and pleasure.


No pics posted, so many every were on the forum, he he.

I've been looking forward to Epic's still capabilities as well. Good to know. Thanks ketch.

 

[Joseph Hutson]

No pics posted, so many every were on the forum, he he.

Speaking of pictures...

 

[Ketch Rossi]

I've been looking forward to Epic's still capabilities as well. Good to know. Thanks ketch.

Most welcome Jason, the Epic and Scarlet will bring new frontiers for those of us which are both Filmmakers and Still Photographers.

Speaking of pictures...

Thanks Joseph, and it was nice meeting you.

 

[Shane Betts]

i have to disagree. the optical center of the lens is very far to the left of the grip, putting a lot of torque on the wrist.

By the time this camera is built with a big lens and the bomb evf and such, its going to be a pain to hand hold. The Stills Grip should be pitched 45 or 90 degrees so holding the camera to your eye is like holding binoculars, it would be more natural.

Hey Bernard, nice avatar. No wonder you want to hold the cam with one hand!

The most comfortable camera I ever used, my all-time favourite, was the Bronica ETR. Very similar setup to the Epic. Right hand on the grip/button, left hand cradling the camera and doing what needs to be done at the lens (less and less duties nowadays).

In stills mode I think the Epic looks fine. Good to hear Ketch's comments after actually handling one (lucky bugger). Can't wait for my turn.

 

[J. Bernard Vallon]

Hey Bernard, nice avatar. No wonder you want to hold the cam with one hand!

Everyone please meet my daughter Cady.

I'm probably the most knit-picky person I know, so i'm not surprised their are people not bothered by the weight distribution.

Until NAB i wasn't really interested in the epic as a stills camera, it was "maybe a bonus feature" to me. I asked Jarred what they intended to do about flash sync without having a mechanical shutter. He said something like "we've got something cleaver. our goal is to sync at 1/2000th of a second"

I'm excited now.

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Everyone please meet my daughter Cady.

I'm probably the most knit-picky person I know, so i'm not surprised their are people not bothered by the weight distribution.

Until NAB i wasn't really interested in the epic as a stills camera, it was "maybe a bonus feature" to me. I asked Jarred what they intended to do about flash sync without having a mechanical shutter. He said something like "we've got something cleaver. our goal is to sync at 1/2000th of a second"

I'm excited now.

He he, Hi Cady :~)

actually you and I both Bernard, I'm incredibly difficult in getting what I want our of my gear, and the amount of FS: gear I always have should say something about it.

The Red One was originally also to be used for Still extractions, but I just never got around the body, great for Filming, but just simply could never fit it for Still work.

now enter Epic, and we have an absolute winer, with ease as in my opinion simply it has no contenders, and this coming form some one which has used a S^%$#@ load of cameras, he he.

But take it from me, the Epic and Scarlet design have so much that you can do in so many different ways that there is just simply no way that you will not find a comfortable work solution to fit your needs.