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New EF 16-35MM F4 IS, Canon's latest joke?

Raphael Madeira said:
Well, I guess it's just me that doesn't apreciate Canon's current path I suppose.
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No. I'm with you on that. I don't get it either.

EDIT: I feel the same way about the new canon lenses. And it was the same thing with the 24-70. I like the canon lenses and I love my 70-200. It just seems that canon isn't coming out with lenses I'm really passionate about and for one I'm kinda disappointed because I'm really waiting for some new f2.8 lenses or better. But even more important I don't understand it and would love to know why they just don't produce f2.8 lenses with IS. is it that hard? They have IS lenses in that range and they have f2.8 lenses in that range. Why aren't both features in the same lens. It seems crippled.
 
Ivan McCullough said:
Ok I am confused, if you have no interest in the products that Canon make why start a thread bashing their gear?

Is this like supporting a football team (red or Sigma) and slagging off a Rival team (Canon) because they buy a player that you think is overrated?

I just don't get why you are so passionately involving yourself in something you seem to be saying is of no personal interest for you.
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Then you aren't understanding my point or I am not explaining myself properly since it's none of the above.
 
Patrick Grossien said:
No. I'm with you on that. I don't get it either.

EDIT: I feel the same way about the new canon lenses. And it was the same thing with the 24-70. I like the canon lenses and I love my 70-200. It just seems that canon isn't coming out with lenses I'm really passionate about and for one I'm kinda disappointed because I'm really waiting for some new f2.8 lenses or better. But even more important I don't understand it and would love to know why they just don't produce f2.8 lenses with IS. is it that hard? They have IS lenses in that range and they have f2.8 lenses in that range. Why aren't both features in the same lens. It seems crippled.
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The reason they(Canon) are making f4.0 first is logical. Next year they bring 16-35/f2.0 and 2 years later 16-35/f2.8 IS ;-)
Why do you think they introduced "slow" primes with IS last 12 months?
Next version of their L primes will be F1.6 with IS.
It is all biz and $$ my friend :-)
 
Jiri, that's exactly what it feels like. That's why I said it feels crippled.
And if this is truly the reason I feel they deserve a kick in the region where it hurts the most.
I for one am not buying if it's not what I feel I need. And if more people feel the same way Canon is going to lose to Sigma and others in the long run.
 
IS requires completely different optical design with separate groups of glass - one of which actually moves - hence the "optical" IS.
And Canon's IS is legendary. I have used this new gen 4-stop IS on the 800mm on several occasions and I can't speak highly enough about it.
Shooting hawks handheld with the 800mm would not be possible without it...

I am really looking forward to both of these lenses...

:sifone: Peter
 
Patrick Grossien said:
Jiri, that's exactly what it feels like. That's why I said it feels crippled.
And if this is truly the reason I feel they deserve a kick in the region where it hurts the most.
I for one am not buying if it's not what I feel I need. And if more people feel the same way Canon is going to lose to Sigma and others in the long run.
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+111111111111111
 
All I am going to say is that I welcome a Canon 16-35 with IS, regardless if its a f/4 or not. I think it was well overdue, and while yes, I think they should of pushed to get a 2.8 out of it, it will have its place at that price point for being the only FF IS lens on the market...... With that being said, I will NOT be buying this lens LOL.
 
 
Maik Müller said:
Canon CN has posted some sample images for the cheap EF-S 10-18:

http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/efs1018f4556/sample.html

Full size versions:
http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/efs1018f4556/img/sample1_zoom.jpg
http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/efs1018f4556/img/sample2_zoom.jpg
http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/efs1018f4556/img/sample3_zoom.jpg
http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/efs1018f4556/img/sample4_zoom.jpg
http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/efs1018f4556/img/sample5_zoom.jpg
http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/efs1018f4556/img/sample6_zoom.jpg
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Wow! That's performance worth L-series glass, let alone sub $300 EFs lens. Now excited even more...

:sifone: Peter
 
Oh, some distortion:-(
I think Zeiss 15mm will do,thank you....
 
Jiri Vrozina said:
Oh, some distortion:-(
I think Zeiss 15mm will do,thank you....
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Jiri, that is absolutely normal for lens this wide. What is amazing is that there is next to no fringing or CA and that Canon kept this lens rectilinear (straight lines stay straight unlike on fish-eye lenses). For that exact reason I am long time fan and user of the 10-22 EFs. The only other lens this wide and rectilinear is the ARRI's 8R UP which cost literarily hundreds times more! And yes - the 8R has the same exact wide distortion... ;o)

:sifone: Peter
 
Patrick Grossien said:
Wow. If these aren't processed too much, this is quite nice ! I seem to have an aversion about glass past f2.8, hehehe... but actually for an outdoors work wide angle it's a sweet price.
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I agree, nice images. The price makes this lens really interesting. It looks like it's not a bad option to have in a kit, the price-tag doesn't hurt and it comes with IS, which can be nice for handheld or gimbal-work... It will not replace a Zeiss 15mm for sure, or even the Tokina 11-16/2.8, but again, it does something more (10mm/IS) for such a low price.

I think i'll try it.

That being said, Canon CN has now posted samples of that 16-35/4IS:

http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/ef1635f4lis/sample.html

Full res:

http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/ef1635f4lis/img/sample1_zoom.jpg
http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/ef1635f4lis/img/sample2_zoom.jpg
http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/ef1635f4lis/img/sample3_zoom.jpg
http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/ef1635f4lis/img/sample4_zoom.jpg
http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/ef1635f4lis/img/sample5_zoom.jpg
http://www.canon.com.cn/products/camera/ef/lineup/widezoom/ef1635f4lis/img/sample6_zoom.jpg

I don't know... It looks nice, i like the idea of having IS (if it's really that good) for run & gun on RED and for tripod-less photography, but F4?! ;) I was close to get that 16-35/2.8II, but now it's hard to make a decision between those two.
 
Maik, maybe we have to wait and see what Sigma comes out with. Though I doubt it will be IS.

Are you happy with your Tokina? I always find it a tad soft. But maybe I'm too picky. :)
 
Jiri Vrozina said:
Oh, some distortion:-(
I think Zeiss 15mm will do,thank you....
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This lens has almost no distortion- the lines are straight.
There is keystoning- of course- but that's just simple physics.
I don't think 15mm Zeiss would be any different unless it' a PC lens.
You can't have field flatness of 100mm lens when your angle of view is 10 times that...
 
Patrick Grossien said:
Maik, maybe we have to wait and see what Sigma comes out with. Though I doubt it will be IS.
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Yes, SIGMA has to do something. I hope they surprise us at photokina.

Are you happy with your Tokina? I always find it a tad soft. But maybe I'm too picky. :)
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I don't own a Tokina. This thing is on my list since Scarlet arrived, but i have read a lot of mixed reviews and didn't really need it so far. So i decided to wait for Canon or SIGMA to come with something better up.
 
I'd let you use mine of you want to test it. You're just a bit too far away from here I guess :)
Maybe I got a lemon, maybe my expectations are too high :) I guess I would have to do some more comparisons.
 
Patrick Grossien said:
Are you happy with your Tokina? I always find it a tad soft. But maybe I'm too picky.
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Tokina 11-16? Mine is sharper than anything else in the same price category. It has noticeable distortion at 11 mm and some CA in general but otherwise a nice lens IMO.
 
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