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New Canon 5D Mark II samples

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Emanuel A.

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RED ONE, Nikon, Canon... What's next? I hope so (new) SCARLET be!



Here's new 5D MK II footage -- among many others, a direct link for the latest Laforet:

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/11/26/7-days-7-shoots-eos-5d-mkii/#more-1591

Still for lazy people, a higher res version is here:

http://vincentlaforet.smugmug.com/gallery/6042742_wZKiA#424860674_7Ykfo-A-LB



A 2nd one -- same mood from Korea:

http://vimeo.com/2314305



As well, two new clips...

...yet from Asia:

http://vimeo.com/2359496



...and another one from Copenhagen:

http://gallery.me.com/knyp#100225



It's everything here:

http://planet5d.dyndns.org/~wikiuser/planet5d/index.php/Mkii_samples#Video_Samples



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In the meantime, Canon is reaching the streets -- 1st unboxing:

http://rhettolson.blogspot.com/2008/11/unboxing-of-canon-eos-5d-mark-ii.html
 
wow... that is some amazing photography
I guess I am going to sell my old 5D for a new one now.
 
That Guardian Beijing movie is actually brilliant in its entirety and on Vimeo.

Hopefully I'll get in on the first batch of cameras from my dealer.
 
It will be trully great for me to see something brillant from this camera as i like the fact i could carry everywhere with me without two pellican case but unfortunately i haven't seen a video i like the image. The contrast look aggressive to be, there is no smooth tone gradation, no film texture excepted compression noise, not to mention off course it's 30fps full shutter..
As a Canon lens owner i preorder this camera but im not sure actually as this camera seem like a bastard consumer child to me if i could tell so.. I'm sure the Nikon D3x will be much better for Pro photography for a DSLR choice and well look like my HVX will make better video ..

Still hope this mess with Red Canon mount will quickly be solved or should i switch?

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Graeme Nattress said:
Here's a good video from the 5D2 too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuYNFMgfWtQ
Click to expand...

Wouldn't one get the same flickering with any camera (including i.e. RED's current and future cameras), if the framerate / shutter speed are out of sync with the light's flicker rate?

I've gotten similar artifacts (without banding though) when shooting with PAL 3CCD 25p/50i broadcast camera in the USA, under 60Hz fluorescents.
 
Sure, but at RED we understand and recognize that most of the world uses 50hz and give you the option and user control over frame rate and shutter speed....

Graeme
 
Actually, it's key to what we're doing. At RED there are camera fanatics, and camera FANATICS. We all come from a different background and point of view when it comes to making images. We come from all over the world. We don't just know in theory that different parts of the world have different TV standards and electrical frequencies, but some of actually come from those parts of world and have practical experience in it.

Graeme
 
I'd like to share a thought or two on this whole red vs canon debacle that seems to be going on around here...

First, let the record show that I have no doubt as to red's superiority in terms of pure image quality and camera operation in general. Under some circumstances, choosing something like a 5d over a more robust tool such as a red one could end up turning into a mistake more costly than the price of any of those cameras.

Having said that, I also believe the 5d mkII fills a gap in the market that red has simply chosen to ignore. I can't find a single product in red's current or announced lineup that matches some canon's strengths, such as form factor, convenience and price point. Allow me to explain...

Most of red's strengths, rooted in the team's focus on ultimate image quality, can also be red's worst weaknesses against something like the 5d. For example, redraw has much superior image quality compared to the 5d, but you'll have to pay a price for this, file size. Sometimes good enough is just good enough and anything beyond that is not only overkill but a rotal PITA. You'll need more, faster, more expensive CF storage. You'll forfeit speed in your workflow, particularly when backing up or transfering footage from one place to another. Your render times are longer. I think you get the picture.

Then, there's the issue of form factor. No doubt red's current or upcoming products have superior ergonomics and configuration flexibility, but what about those low budget projects where you have to travel solo? Sometimes all you want is the smallest, lightest setup as long as you can get good enough quality out of it. Sometimes you just want something to take along for a trip in case there's something worth shooting.

And finally, red's whole take on image quality/price point ratio philosophy has left out a very important fact from the equation, sensor size. Image quality is not just about a pristine data stream, but also creative options such as DOF control and lens selection. My main reason for having hauled around an slr vs a point and shoot all these years hasn't been because the images the slr makes are any better data-wise, but because of the creative control I get over my images. This means I'm more likely to carry around something like a 5d rather than a scarlet because

a) my existing lens collection looks the way it's supposed to on the 5d as opposed to something like a scarlet 2/3"

b) I'm not going to risk $20k worth of equipment on a trip just in case I find something worth shooting.

And so, to sum things up, I think red cameras are more likely to be my tool of choice on set when doing high budget mission critical work, while a 5dmkII is more likely to find a permanent spot in the trunk of my car or on trips. I wouldn't want to shoot a feature film with a 5dmkII, but I also wouldn't want to return from a trip with a terabyte worth of raw 3k files from a 2/3" sensor.

My .02
 
cholo, you make some good points.

On the plus side, the 5D2 is small, light, compact, and has a startup time measured in fractions of a second. This sets it miles apart from R1. Can you throw R1 in a waist pack and hike it 5 miles up to a lake? Are you going to carry R1 through New York City and just happen to have it ready when some 1-in-a-million shot comes along on a street corner? Are you going to strap it to a light remote controlled helicopter and take your chances on losing $25K worth or gear in a crash?

On the downside, the compression and resolution of the 5D2 are nowhere near R1's. It's like comparing a Toyota to a Porsche. Plus, if you shoot 1080p on a 5D2, you have absolutely zero room for reframing or image stabilization.
 
Hasn't RED said before that they aren't interested in producing products that have consumer grade functions? I'm not trying to condescend at all, but since that's my understanding, that's probably why RED doesn't have a camera in development capable of a video mode comparable to what you get with the 5d2.

It's just a case of consumer-grade functionality/convenience VS professional-grade quality for the higher cost is all. Like Jim has said recently, there won't be one company to cover all bases. They simply aren't deciding to venture into consumer grade products/functions is all. I'm just glad they are providing exceptional professional quality at an unprecedented low cost. I can't wait for Scarlet. If I had the dough to spend on a nice mid-level DSLR that also throws in convenient high end consumer video functions, i'd definitely be going for the Canon, no doubt.
 
This isn't directed at you Craig, but is just a general statement. I don't think we should say Brand X makes consumer products while Brand Y makes pro products. Canon's flagship 1DsM3 is hardly a consumer camera. And Red's 2/3" fixed-lens Scarlet might very well fall under the banner of a "prosumer" product.

It always comes down the same thing: Which tool do you need for a given shoot?
 
I used to pull surprisingly good keys off VHS back in the day....
 
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