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New Arri Digital vs. Scarlet?

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The ALEV III sensor design provides 32 pairs of outputs. Each channel is divided into a high gain path (H) and a low gain path (L), resulting in 64 channels arriving at the 14 bit A/D converters. In the final images the lowlights are reconstructed from the high gain path and the highlights are reconstructed from the low gain path for an image containing meaningful information in all 16 bits.
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This in particular could be amazing.
 
Yeah , but after some chats at IBC it seemed they will release the heaviest version at about 130 if you want onboard recording and EVF, also additional I/O , and it's at least a year away , from what I've been told???

The sensor seemed very promising at 800 and could be a real threat to the Epic camera.

But then in a way , when did hold the Epic in my hands , I was totally blown away by the build quality, the weight which seemd almost nothing and the possibilities it will have to offer us seem amazing.

Except the light capture abilities from the ARRI the new upcoming RED Epic and Scarlet are very attractive. I can't wait to own them.
 
sven said:
Yeah , but after some chats at IBC it seemed they will release the heaviest version at about 130 if you want onboard recording and EVF, also additional I/O , and it's at least a year away , from what I've been told???

The sensor seemed very promising at 800 and could be a real threat to the Epic camera.

But then in a way , when did hold the Epic in my hands , I was totally blown away by the build quality, the weight which seemd almost nothing and the possibilities it will have to offer us seem amazing.

Except the light capture abilities from the ARRI the new upcoming RED Epic and Scarlet are very attractive. I can't wait to own them.
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800 asa should be possible with epic...maybe better because everything can change :)
 
Looks great but here's the part I don't understand,

"Prices begin at 50K Euro, resetting the bar for cost & performance"

50k Euro is 73k US. Thats over 4 times the amount of a RED body. Not sure what bars their setting.

The Epic will only be pushed further with competition on the rise!
 
It's easy to see that the RED system is having an effect on other camera companies. But the real danger is RED's modular design.. Once the system is out, think how easy it will be for RED to redesign a new sensor and get it out to the public.. They will not have to redesign the camera, only the sensor housing. This will save them an incredible about of time in getting things to market.

It's a dangerously efficient system.

Jay
 
dustin lindgren said:
Looks great but here's the part I don't understand,

"Prices begin at 50K Euro, resetting the bar for cost & performance"

50k Euro is 73k US. Thats over 4 times the amount of a RED body. Not sure what bars their setting.

The Epic will only be pushed further with competition on the rise!
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Part of the reason alot of these cameras are so expensive is because they mark up for selling through resellers.

I.e; they construct/build for 35-40k, they mark up to sell to resellers to 45-55k and then they list at an additional 15-20k. Cut out the middleman, and they don't need to mark it up so high.

It's not like the manufactures are selling these things at costs to the resellers.

RED has no resellers.... I'd be suprised if RED is making 15-25% profit per unit sold.
 
George A. said:
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The ALEV III sensor design provides 32 pairs of outputs. Each channel is divided into a high gain path (H) and a low gain path (L), resulting in 64 channels arriving at the 14 bit A/D converters. In the final images the lowlights are reconstructed from the high gain path and the highlights are reconstructed from the low gain path for an image containing meaningful information in all 16 bits.
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This in particular could be amazing.
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So this means the highlights will be less clipped, right?
 
I do earnestly believe that the Mysterium-X and Monstro sensors will be better than what Arri will offer next year. Jim has already hinted at this.
 
Why is it going against scarlet?Surely it would be against an epic if you really wanted to compare right? Scarlet is targeted at a different market to the Arri cams I thought?
 
Imran Farouk said:
Why is it going against scarlet?Surely it would be against an epic if you really wanted to compare right? Scarlet is targeted at a different market to the Arri cams I thought?
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That would be my assumption too. The FF35 Scarlet looks like it'll be able to be fully operational for well under $20,000 (based on estimates, things change obviously), based on what we currently know about the price points for some of the equipment we'll need.

I mean a fully decked out FF35 Scarlet with really good glass could probably run significantly higher, but so will the Arri for that matter.

Comparing brains to brains, it seems like you'll be able to get a full functional Scarlet for about a 10th of the price of their "entry-level" cam.

I think a fairer comparison as far as specs are concerned would be the Arri against the Epic 645, which seems like it would be a comparably priced system in comparison to the Arri.
 
Arri is a bunch of arrogant *** but nontheless their stuff performs. Red revolutionized the whole industry - but they`ll be the death star of the industry if the new lineup reaches Arri standards.
 
jamesbridges said:
Found this...very interesting, $50K list!!!

http://arridigital.com/teaser
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This was posted several days ago.

And the price of the unit makes it compete with Epic and not Scarlet.

Jay A. Kelley said:
It's easy to see that the RED system is having an effect on other camera companies. But the real danger is RED's modular design.. Once the system is out, think how easy it will be for RED to redesign a new sensor and get it out to the public.. They will not have to redesign the camera, only the sensor housing. This will save them an incredible about of time in getting things to market.

It's a dangerously efficient system.

Jay
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Damn good point, never had looked at it that way.
 
Yep, I've heard it eats the F35's lunch...[and then cusses its mother] - but then again it is newer. However at 50,000 Euros (or $73,000) entry price that's competing price-wise with the Epic 647 (plus much change!!) - just compare frame rates, resolutions (dynamic range comparison will be interesting too - that's a big one for most). It's got its work cut-out on price alone but something tells me it's going to be super-Germanic-reliable, in which case Epic has a lot to prove (fingers crossed there).
 
the red body itself is build like a tank. (wish it had a better fan)

i just wish me a CINEPIC Combo, a special combo of the upcoming brains+assecoires which gives me:

stability, formfactor, and the oh these designers thought of everything, thats the reason why the buttons/Screws/Connectors/wing Nuts/cables always seem to be in the right place and only disturb one in 100 times.

following things would be nice too:
you shouldnt be able to accidantly power down the camera, if you put in a d-tap wrong, the power board shouldnt burn..hehe...dont know the english word, but a safety would be great.

all epics/scarlets should give a consant ampere from their outs for powering external tools like wireless ff for example.



i like the modularity of epic, but one possibility of the upcoming 1 mio possibilities should be a bad ass CINEMA CAMERA without compromise..(lets say with just a few)

btw. after shooting with red for one year, i am totally comfordable shooting with an EVF instead of OVF.

but i know that there is a big line between getting the optimum for the targeted manufactoring price and the "Dream camera".


guess would be no problem for jim to build a dream picture/dream Handling/dream quality camera/dream postworkflow-ready camera.
but i am sure, i couldnt afford to buy that camera:)
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
It's easy to see that the RED system is having an effect on other camera companies. But the real danger is RED's modular design.. Once the system is out, think how easy it will be for RED to redesign a new sensor and get it out to the public.. They will not have to redesign the camera, only the sensor housing. This will save them an incredible about of time in getting things to market.

It's a dangerously efficient system.

Jay
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with the new digimags for SR3 or kinds like that they could almost do the same.
just buy a mag with a new sensor for your old 35mm arri.

but as long as a mag costs 40 000 usd, i feel good having invested here
 
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