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New 6K Terra Camera: 6K for $5400?

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Interesting read. Kinefinity is launching new 5K and 6K cameras, which appear to be heavily influenced by the new Red DSMC2 design.

Given the shipping delays, inefficient Kine RAW format, the sheer bloat of 5K/6K ProRes, and seemingly nonexistent support for Kinefinity in the Western hemisphere, I really don't see the appeal. If I'm going to spend $7K+ on a camera (the rear module and such is extra), then I'm going to invest in something reliable and with a proven track record (ie, the Scarlet-W that I'm rather proud to own). Even still, interesting to see what's coming at NAB'16.

http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/03/28/5k-for-less-than-5k-kinefinity-launch-the-terra-a-compact-raw-and-prores-shooting-cinema-camera-in-5k-and-6k-versions/


 
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I was just about to put something up about this....eery ain't it?
 
Nicholas. Do they still have the built-in Cineform encoder or have the let that go in the new camera series?
 
I think this looks like an interesting option for a great price. Hopefully Kinefinity offers more support and rental options in the Western regions so I can have an opportunity to test it out.
 
Wow, talk about a ripoff!

As a Red Owner, this pisses me off.

Ultimately, in our field, image quality is king- lets see what images come out of this camera. If they are good, however, there should be some concern.

That price point, if it produces a similar level image to Reds, Arris and Canons, could be seductive to most independent filmmakers, small production houses, or even for B cameras in major productions- this could be a bigger market than the high end one were Red and Arri dominate...
 
they are better off doing those xlr ports straight down, on the bottom!
 
The challenge is not the 6K. They've been able to do that for a long time. The real problem to solve is the color science and the dynamic range. My observation is none of the inexpensive competing cameras (say, below $20K) can really do this yet. The Canons have their issue, Sony still has their issues, but once you get into the higher-priced cameras (Alexa, F55, Epic, etc.) then the image becomes a lot more usable.
 
Marc Wielage said:
The challenge is not the 6K. They've been able to do that for a long time. The real problem to solve is the color science and the dynamic range. My observation is none of the inexpensive competing cameras (say, below $20K) can really do this yet. The Canons have their issue, Sony still has their issues, but once you get into the higher-priced cameras (Alexa, F55, Epic, etc.) then the image becomes a lot more usable.
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The really intriguing factor for me is the global shutter on their new 5K sensor, but it comes at the expense of a few stops of dynamic range. As far as the 6K sensor is concerned, the DR is better than BM but not RED Dragon. The noise is a very organic feeling grain, without the fixed pattern noise that ruins the BM cameras for me.

I bet Kinefinity is committed to global shutter, as they've been cultivating it with their r&d for years now. My KineMAX 6K has a quasi-GS mode that has some aliasing problems, which is why we never use that feature.
 
Marc Wielage said:
The challenge is not the 6K. They've been able to do that for a long time. The real problem to solve is the color science and the dynamic range. My observation is none of the inexpensive competing cameras (say, below $20K) can really do this yet. The Canons have their issue, Sony still has their issues, but once you get into the higher-priced cameras (Alexa, F55, Epic, etc.) then the image becomes a lot more usable.
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Marc, I would be very curious to know what you think of the color coming from the Ursa Mini 4.6k?
 
Marc Wielage said:
The challenge is not the 6K. They've been able to do that for a long time. The real problem to solve is the color science and the dynamic range. My observation is none of the inexpensive competing cameras (say, below $20K) can really do this yet. The Canons have their issue, Sony still has their issues, but once you get into the higher-priced cameras (Alexa, F55, Epic, etc.) then the image becomes a lot more usable.
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Can you tell me what issues Canons and Sonys have?
 
Is impressively lightweight, weighs as little as a 5D! Useful for gimbal and drone work.

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If Kinefinity wanted to make some real money, they'd copy the Alexa form factor, use a 2.5K S35 sensor and put a fixed low-con filter over the sensor. They could charge much more than $6K. 6K is just a numbers game, but an over-priced, over-sized 2K camera proves that you care about story more than mere toys.

/sarc
 
Early demos with outsorced color science were interesting (can't remember name of the guy who did it), later the footage off their 4K cams wasn't very impressive, I'm not sure if latitude was even at R1M levels. Lately I've seen heavily graded stuff from their 6K version, I guess it can look good in the right hands. I doubt, that at such price point anyone would expect Dragon or Alev3 level of image quality. Not hating, though.
 
Nicholas Austin Skinner said:
Exactly - this is what I'm talking about. Kinefinity is more likely alienating RED users and enthusiasts with this design rather than seducing us, thus my "facepalm" comment
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their target market aren't redusers. but rather those who cant afford red. with raven i dont really see why anyone would go with kinefinity tho.
 
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