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Nervous Nellies...

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Red RAY:

What kind of initial thought went into this? "We need something that can _______" - and behold, Red did it.

That was EPIC unto itself, Pierce. LMAO

Jim,

I have to agree with sined13 on the head shaking. I am even more amazed at the scope of your goals. I have no question that you will realize them.
Thanks to you and the team,
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Michael
MVL Films LLC
 
Too much hype and emotion, not enough appreciation!

Too much hype and emotion, not enough appreciation!

Jannard said:
It is pretty frustrating to come from the show, where everyone is happy, to reading so many posts that make negative assumptions from absolutely no info.

Do you think we went from doing everything from the customer's point of view... into thinking up devious ways to screw our customers overnight?

Sometimes this board makes me shake my head...
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Thanks for all the hard work, great announcements today! I believe you're on the right track...

I have been following RED since very near the beginning, but it's always just been a dream to me. I do some video professionally, but it's really just a hobby for me (I have a GL2) and I would never have imagined owning something from RED, it is just too much for me.

What you have done with Scarlet is amazing, I am very close to committing to buying Scarlet right away. You are right on with this product, I think your market will expand vastly because of this.

Keep up the awesome work Jim and RED team!
 
Jim,

I really enjoyed myself in the booth today. Thanks for being such a great host and making me feel so welcome.

As for Epic.. It sounds very promising. I wish you the best of luck with it.

Will you be at the REDUser party tomorrow?

Jay
 
Jannard said:
Better to have a purposeful lens for this camera than to open it up to what? A Nikon mount? How dumb. What would you shoot wide with? Every Nikon lens ever made is not designed for a 2/3" sensor! What are you guys thinking?

Jim
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Although not always in total accordance granted the most recent news, on this I can just say that's very well thought!

E. :-)
 
I try not to post polemics but reading some of the post after the recent unveilings (mind blowing to say the list), I truly can't understand, I think is because of my accent!

What I see is RED providing now three clear choices for three distinct users, and different markets, three cameras, three prices, three choices!

What is not to like and what is the problem with few people on this forum, I just don't get it ... or they DON'T!!!

More mind blowing is the fact of been given the choice of basically use the RED ONE for free till the EPIC ships and then return IT and get the $17,500 originally paid for the RED ONE camera body,
credited towards the purchase of the RED EPIC.

Do I miss something here or this is just simply the type of support that was promised to us from RED from the very beginning and FAR FAR MORE???

Ciao
 
I'm very excited by Scarlet just because I never expected there to be a RED product I could actually afford, and since ENG-style shooting si more my style anyway, it's the right product for me overall. I thank you for bringing it to life!

I've been following this story for years, always appreciating your dream of overwhelming good cameras from others with great cameras from your company.

It's an amazing story and I'm glad I'll be able to join the party, in an admittedly small way.

And I agree with you, I think some of the complaining is appallingly rude. But I'm sure it's useful since you need to know what the public overall is thinking.

It certainly looks like there is room for a niche between Scarlet and RED ONE; I actually thought your new product would take that niche (which I could not have afforded) and salute you for bringing a product that even the least affluent of your fans can pick up.

I do have two questions:

(1) Is the Scarlet price for a complete camera or are things like the batteries, etc, optional?

(2) What is the approximate focal length range of the zoom? Does it have any kind of manual ring controls for focus and zoom?

Thanks again for all the hard work of you and the other team members!

D
 
It was such a pleasure to see the footage from the REDONE today. Man - I'm as excited as ever. It really doesn't take much of a walk around the NAB show to see how fast this industry is changing and RED is helping lead the way with these visions. Totally blown away. Nervous? No freakin' way! Excited? Hell YEAH!!! It just keeps getting better.

Thanks RED!
 
krackato said:
A year ago, everyone would say "Oh it's just the tools." Tell that to my mom. She's going to know there's something funny about this "digital movie."
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HAHAA!!!
 
....exactly. 2/3 > slr lens?> ... wha..?
 
I'm here in Vegas and visited the booth. I don't think I'm saying anything here that is not public, so I'll mention what they told me about pricing.

Scarlet's target price (subject to change, I'm sure) is "under $3,000." I heard it several times in the booth.

The other information straight from Kelly is that the current plan is that the Epic will be around $40,000, BUT anyone who has the RedOne can send it in and as long as it works, will get a $17,500 credit towards Epic.

That's what I know...

By the way, the clips they played at the booth in the theater were nothing short of amazing. Seriously...I cannot believe that in a month or so (~2150) that I and my company will have the ability to make pictures that look as good as the ones I saw today. Seeing little web movies has not impressed me nearly as much as when I saw the clips on a large 4k projected screen.
 
KETCH ROSSI said:
What I see is RED providing now three clear choices for three distinct users, and different markets, three cameras, three prices, three choices!

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Do I miss something here or this is just simply the type of support that was promised to us from RED from the very beginning and FAR FAR MORE???
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I think a lot of people are concerned and/or confused about the fact that on the surface, it doesn't look like the Red One and the Epic are targeted at very distinct markets/users. It looks like the Epic is a slightly improved Red One, targeted at the market a lot of Red One customers intended to go after with their Red One cameras. Except that it's twice the price.

It's not hard to see why folks who've bought into the Red One find this somewhat alarming. Many of them won't have the money for Epic even with the Red One trade-in, and aren't sure all that extra money even makes sense for the additional features... but at the same time, they're worried that having Epic in the market is going to have a negative impact on demand for the Red One, because it will no longer be perceived as top-tier.

Hopefully there's more going on here than meets the eye and as things become more clear, everyone will become less alarmed.
 
First post here but I've been watching from day one. I didn't post until now because I wasn't in a position to buy a camera made by Red...until today with the announcement of Scarlet. The complaints I've been reading since today's announcements have been very surprising to me. I was at the Red booth today and the people I saw seemed to be pretty excited. Why are some people so upset? If you don't like the announced features then choose a different product. There are, after all, other options. (Pretty sure they aren't better options but hey...) I don't think when Mr Jannard teased us all with "pocket professional camera" he meant it was going to be a camera that does everything a Red One and fit in your pocket for 1/6th the price. Anyhow, I am happy with what was announced today. I do have one complaint however. :tongue: Why can't I buy stock in this company? I can only wish. :greedy:

Silas J Kyler

P.S. I sat next to some Sony guys at lunch today. I complimented them on their nice projector. When I mentioned I saw Red footage on it they immediately gave the line. Oh "that's not 4K" cause of "too much compression" and when I mentioned the F23 as a good product he said "oh yeah...that's for high end stuff" as if the Red wasn't. I thought it was a strange company line for Sony to be putting forward judging from the footage I saw.
 
Silas Kyler said:
P.S. I sat next to some Sony guys at lunch today. I complimented them on their nice projector. When I mentioned I saw Red footage on it they immediately gave the line. Oh "that's not 4K" cause of "too much compression" and when I mentioned the F23 as a good product he said "oh yeah...that's for high end stuff" as if the Red wasn't. I thought it was a strange company line for Sony to be putting forward judging from the footage I saw.
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Especially considering that the F23 isn't 4K, either.
 
To be honest...I think Sonny and Panasonic are very, very, very worried...

I'm a Panna user...and the news from Panny in this NAB were pretty poor for me.
 
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Especially considering that the F23 isn't 4K, either.
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F23 is a fine camera as far as image quality goes. The problem Sony has is that it is an arogant, inflexible and unfriendly company that does not listen to its clients, it does not care about its clients and is not responsive in fixing problems that their equipment is full of. The customer service sucks, the purchasing experience is like extracting teeth and the proprietary formats kill progress, convenience and affordability.

Not to mention that one reason I stopped buying Japanese products is of their whailing practices.

Red could not come at a better time!
 
One year ago, I stepped into the Red booth, saw the Red One and prototypes for accessories and lenses that were only promises. It took me about 20 minutes to realize that I had to make a deposit on system NOW before the line got longer. At 10:45 or so, after a few sketchy moments with the online system, Kelly graciously helped me get my deposit completed. I then watched the "Crossing the Line" demo and realized I just made a very good decision.

Almost exactly a year later, last Friday in fact, I took delivery of my Red One. That was after a year of logging on to RedUser, learning a tremendous amount in the process (and I've been in this industry for well over 25 years) and yes raising questions about fit and finish, LDS lens compatibility, and lending whatever insights I could... but I have to say this company BLOWS MY MIND.

The camera arrived and met every expectation. The order was complete (except for a couple of backordered items). High quality build. Anodization was great, everything fit nice and snug. The camera came with the latest build. Every component, every frame rate, every bit of media, checked out perfectly. Nate and the "guys in the back" busted their butts to help get my camera out in time to meet our shoot date. We shoot a high end post-intensive 3 day shoot next week and I have complete confidence that the camera will perform like a champ.

Today, I walked into the booth (no ran) after waiting in line with the OTHER Mark Pederson, (his is misspelled BTW) and find Scarlet, next to it Epic and and go... OH SHIT, they did it again. Yes, after seeing Epic, with a Red Prime prototype mounted on that all familiar bad boy silver aluminum body styling and I go OH SHIT, they just made my Red One (that I just got) obsolete.

Then I find out from Jon that NO... Red will actually give me full trade in value for my Red One toward an Epic and I think to myself...there is NO company on the planet today that understands how to treat customers than Red. Period.

CONGRATULATIONS to everyone to Red for knocking it out of the park today!!

I deliberately avoided the Scarlet thread like the plague but now, having seen how it is targeted, and the form factor, understand how it fits in the production workflow. For hand held, tight, action sequences, there is no equal.

Epic raises the bar. Red listened to all the complaints and issues. They developed a 5K sensor with enough resolution that after de-bayering delivers a full 4K resolution image at cinema aspect ratios. They cut the
weight, improved I/O, PL mount, are delivering a full range of machined components targeted at the high end.

The 18-85 is an awesome friggin lens. It's the real deal. No breathing, great feel. A big beast, not as hefty as you might expect for the girth, but a a beautiful baby indeed.

The clip on Mattebox looks great. Feather light. I want one NOW. (Please deliver a 104 mm right away!)

The carbon fiber rods are, well, feather light as well, and OH SO bad looking with the matte finish of the new lenses.

All in all, a fun, high-energy quick tour of the booth. Great to finally meet a bunch of guys in the flesh that I only had become familiar with on the forum.

Again, my hat's off to Red and the awesome Red community!

If only there were more companies out there like Red.

Happy NAB,

Mark
 
Jannard said:
Re: fixed lens vs. interchangeable lens. I happen to disagree on this matter. Better to have a purposeful lens for this camera than to open it up to what? A Nikon mount? How dumb. What would you shoot wide with? Every Nikon lens ever made is not designed for a 2/3" sensor! What are you guys thinking?

Jim
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FWIW, I thoroughly agree with your post...

Scarlet
3k, 120fps, RAW for $3k - and "keyboard experts" complain about a fixed zoom lens? And they complain that "real pros" never would use a fixed lens camera that had the option of automatic or manual shooting modes. That's news to the hundreds of thousands of professional DSLR shooters in the world who routinely change between full manual, part auto, and full auto shooting with their cameras. Pro television camera operators also routinely use some auto features and some fixed lens cameras for certain genres of production. Isn't it time for "manual only/fixed lens only" cine types to acknowledge that technology and media convergence have enabled everyone to shoot in multiple styles and sub-styles of camera work? Common sense should be re-named un-common sense, because a lot of the posts I've reviewed this evening on RED User show me very little common sense. I can think of tons of ways to integrate Scarlet into our national television productions. To me and our extended company, and our alliance companies, the announced tech specs of Scarlet are great. Scarlet will be another potent arrow in the quiver of talented and open minded professionals - while "if it doesn't have a removable lens" quibblers spend what could be valuable production time pontificating on these forums about what a "real professional camera" should have on it.

We'll buy at least six Scarlet cameras.

RED ONE
Our extended company owns six RED ONE cameras, with another on the way. We don't feel "betrayed" in the slightest by the announcement of the 5k EPIC camera. In fact, we're stoked about that! Some of our RED ONE's will be traded into EPICs, and some will simply be upgraded and live out their production lives as important tools in our tool box. Our RED ONE's have been fantastic cameras for us - used for seven months now in a wide variety of professional productions. We love 'em...

EPIC
We're salivating over this. Bring it on! 5k, smaller, more mobile, and on and on and on. We can think of a myriad of uses for EPICs. We'll buy at least four of them - maybe more. On some productions we may integrate EPICs, RED ONEs, and Scarlets.

RED Ray
Way cool...
We back up now to drives and LTO. To have the option to quickly back up to RED Ray, and to have the RR unit available for instant playback, etc. will ease the management of our files and give us a lightweight, mobile "deck" - something we can really use.

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Having been around RED since before there was even a RED company, I am unbelievably proud of how much RED has been able to accomplish in such a short period of time - a little over two years. IMO it is stunning...

Having spent a few hours in the RED NAB tent today talking with RED Team and analyzing the breadth and depth of the new products, I can say I couldn't be happier.

I think its time for the wannabes, trolls, FUDmongers, and malcontents to either offer up constructive suggestions based on real world production experience - or stop wasting everyone's time here. In this industry, as in most, there are three types of people:

1) Those who say something can't happen
2) Those who make something happen
3) Those who wonder what the heck is happening

RED Team - thanks for being Type 2 above. There's a lot of us motion media industry professionals out here who are also Type 2, and who are more than happy to put your products to extensive professional use.
 
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