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Native Red support...

david farland

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Love to hear what applications may provide native redcode support...

FCP
.....not yet..could be a while but they can ingest via their HD I/O box, 10bit 4:2:2 and have it compressed to ProRes. I guess they can also transcodes from Redcode to ProRes as well.

CINEFORM
...don't see any comments on RED on their page...umm

AVID
.......Nothing yet!

any Onlines?

...Assimilate?

Cheers,
 
Sure...dropping into timeline....what's under the bonnet of that!

we don't know the details....

word is no native support yet...transcode....how severe, don't know.
Lot's unknown...


Cheers,
 
Does anyone know if Red entered into a special agreement with Apple?

If I were Apple I would pay Red for the exclusive right to use red code for a specific amount of time so as to sell final cut mac based solutions.
 
Doubtful since RedCine is XP based too. That'd make the work done on windows XP redundant. Red want to open up the market not pigeon hole it.
 
david farland said:
Sure...dropping into timeline....what's under the bonnet of that!

we don't know the details....

word is no native support yet...transcode....how severe, don't know.
Lot's unknown...


Cheers,
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From that interview, certainly no transcode, and RT operation on at least a well enough spec'd machine - what's well enough spec'd?? Well, that's the question, isn't is?! I'd bet less than the new 8-cores though, and depending on number of streams maybe even as low as a high-end dual core box.

I guess we'll see....


Word, however, is certainly not no native support yet - word is definitely native FCP6 support. :biggrin:
 
Shaun mentions it here for one...too tired to hunt them down

Shawn Nelson said:
....... I then saw Evin give a great presenation on RedCine workflow. One disappointment is that FCP 6 will NOT ship with native Redcode support, that will come sometime later.....
-Shawn
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Cheers,
 
That sentence should read "FCP 6 will not SHIP with native Redcode support" - there is an interview with Ted on hdforindies where he describes the way that the native support that will eventually be there - the decode process can pull a lower resolution version out of the compressed data without any scaling overhead (essentially, it's trivial to simply decode only every 8th pixel, or 16th, etc) meaning you can edit on proxies without actually having to generate them.
 
Ah, sorry - that's my bad then! I'm going from the Ted Schilowitz interview from yesterday, which sounded a lot like it was a done deal - I guess with the speed things are moving today that might as well be 5 year old information though...

Native RedCode support in FCP "soon" then, I take it?
 
What I got from the Red Cine Demo was that they were using a Beta Version of FCP that fully supported 4k directly on the timeline in its native format. That said it looked like it was working just fine to me.
 
Since FCP has always been quicktime based, any format that quicktime supports can be cut in FCP. Conversely, any format you want FCP to support is dependent on quicktime.

Even if I don't have FCP6 yet, i should be able to export out of REDCine into Prores422 as long as I have the most recent version of quicktime pro installed. This, in my mind is a great way to deliver to clients if i'm working on a low budget flick, because all they need is FCS2, which is pretty cheap, and will run on a G5.

This way they dont have to upgrade more than there software, and its a $600 upgrade at that.

Any thoughts?
 
John,
I wouldn't have a clue!
Quicktime is just a container (for easy handling) that holds a video/audio streams that's compressed using one of the codecs in quicktime's api. Does Quicktime 7 or FCP host the Redcode codec....not yet!

So for now it's a codec translation from Redcode compressed data to a codec native to FCP. In this case to get 10bit 4:2:2 2K, Apple are saying use ProRes. What type of codec is it? Probably find out on a FCP forum e.g. Creative Cow or maybe someone here!
What's the translation process from a Redcode codec to ProRes...dunno. I know Ted Schilo. was talking about 1/2; 1/4; 1/8 rez's of Redcode but what that means in regards to ProRes...dunno.

I'm presuming that ProRes will become your master for onlining here also!

If not and you create some kind of EDL/XML conform file, it may not matter...not sure...cos I haven't offlined/onlined with FCP and don't know if there's some foibles I've gotta be careful of!
If you do the transformation how robust is the resultant PRoRes master to CC'ing etc....you guessed...dunno.

Hope what I said is reasonably correct. Please pull me up if it's not.

Hopefully i'm looking 'correctly' under the hood of the "If it's QT compliant, it's alright" paradigm/fallicy.

Cheers,
 
Redcode works as RT in FCP6.
There's also RedRad for ingest (and optionally transcoding via a batch process). Lastly, there's an FCP fxplug that enable look development
that's compatible with RedCine and the in camera look settings.

FYI, "Crossing the Line" was cut via REDCODE natively in FCP 5.1 (with no transcoding). The same files were then used to generate the
full 4k frames to go into grading.

Deanan
 
Deanan said:
Redcode works as RT in FCP6.
There's also RedRad for ingest (and optionally transcoding via a batch process). Lastly, there's an FCP fxplug that enable look development
that's compatible with RedCine and the in camera look settings.

FYI, "Crossing the Line" was cut via REDCODE natively in FCP 5.1 (with no transcoding). The same files were then used to generate the
full 4k frames to go into grading.

Deanan
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Amazing !!!

Thanks Deanan.

The FCP native support made my day, week, month, year, and maybe more !

Cheers,
Damien
 
The UI looks pretty much like assimilate scratch :)
 
Deanan said:
Redcode works as RT in FCP6. Deanan
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Realtime..okay
Deanan said:
There's also RedRad for ingest (and optionally transcoding via a batch process). Deanan
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..Is this some of the code behind Red's RPL?

Deanan said:
Lastly, there's an FCP fxplug that enable look development
that's compatible with RedCine and the in camera look settings.Deanan
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does this work in parallel with color calibration software like Cinespace for FCC.

Note: Can FCC mean Final Cut Color from here on end?.....Please!!

Deanan said:
FYI, "Crossing the Line" was cut via REDCODE natively in FCP 5.1 (with no transcoding). The same files were then used to generate the
full 4k frames to go into grading.
Deanan
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Is this a beta version of your Redcode plugin/codec/api or whatever is used to pull/ingest Redcode in FCP 6?

Cheers,
 
earthling said:
David,

You may not have seen this on Apple's website :
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/action/?movie=red

If that's not Redcode support...

Cheers for Apple, and Ted, and Deanan, YEEHA !
Damien
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thanks for that Damien.

I'm sure native red raw is bound for FCP 6 and lots of people are saying it can be done, but I'm hearing toooo many warning bells that it's not in the commercial version presently.
But hey.....maybe when you or other get their Red camera?just dunno....

Sorry if it sounds frustrating but....I'd rather be a wanker saying I dunno than be one that says ...Yep, it can do NOW...or SOON or....who knows....phew

Ask the guys in the Red/Apple booth tomorrow...

Trying to help you

cheers,
 
david farland said:
There's also RedRad for ingest (and optionally transcoding via a batch process). Deanan

..Is this some of the code behind Red's RPL?

Cheers,
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RAD is the fileimport Import window in FCP like Panasonic P2 import.

So in RedRad you do the same but now have the option to transcode to another codec in the process.
 
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