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NAB '11 "Surprise" Guessing Game

Lawrence Bansbach said:
Good idea, except if by "max 2K DI" you meant the sensor itself would max out at less than 4K. I don't think 2K's where Jim wants to go. As it is, Red's rationalizations for the 3K Scarlet in light of their "$K is the future" stance are less than convincing.
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You can' beat 1080p alliance-competition* with 4K, 5K+ today but you can beat them in their domain resolution 1080p.

Or if you can't beat them with 4K then join them @ 1080p and then beat them.

Just deliver in their field this thing they can't: A lightweight 1080p RAW recording affordable camera for $1000 Bucks.

Beat them in their's 1080p resolution (weapon) but using REDCODE as a munition.

That could be the best strategy.

* HDDSLRs, ARRI Alexa, Panavision Genesis, Sony F35, etc,...
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
As I said before the best surprise from RED at NAB 2011 would be something like a RED TWO for $1000 Bucks.

Here could be potential tech specs:

- SENSOR: 7 MEGAPIXEL MYSTERIUM-X™

- PIXEL ARRAY: 2560(h) x 1300 (v)

- S/N RATIO: 66db

- DYNAMIC RANGE: 13+ stops
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How can the sensor be 7 MP if the array is only 2,560 x 1,300? And maybe I'm really confused, but wouldn't an SNR of 66 dB yield a fairly noisy image, especially if you expect it to have a 13-stop DR?
 
There already has been a $1000 Red Ray home use announced, so if this is actually a BIG SURPRISE... then im counting it on it being something we dont know about nor have ever heard about.

A sub $50K, 4K projector - I HOPE
 
My guess:

REDRAY Server
Internet Streaming Server
4k at 15Mbit/s
Streaming xxx films in 4k simultaneously


REDCLOUD
Cloud Service for Reduser
Watch, upload and share your films/teasers/promos in 4k, 2k, 1080p (REDRAY Codec)
Internet Delivery for 4k/2k digital cinemas and home theaters
 
Lawrence Bansbach said:
How can the sensor be 7 MP if the array is only 2,560 x 1,300? And maybe I'm really confused, but wouldn't an SNR of 66 dB yield a fairly noisy image, especially if you expect it to have a 13-stop DR?
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Effective Number of Pixels

A distinction should be made between the number of pixels in a digital image and the number of sensor pixel measurements that were used to produce that image.
In conventional sensors, each pixel has one photodiode which corresponds with one pixel in the image.
A conventional sensor in for instance a 5 megapixel camera which outputs 2,560 x 1,920 images has an equal number of "effective" pixels, 4.9 million to be precise.
Additional pixels surrounding the effective area are used for demosaicing the edge pixels, to determine "what black is", etc. Sometimes not even all sensor pixels are used.
A classical example was Sony's DSC-F505V which effectively used only 2.6 megapixel (1,856 x 1,392) out of the 3.34 megapixel available on the sensor.
This was because Sony fitted the then new 3.34 sensor into the body of the previous model. As the sensor was slightly larger, the lens was not able to cover the whole sensor.


So the total number of pixels on the sensor is larger than the effective number of pixels used to create the output image.
Often this higher number is preferred to specify the resolution of the camera for marketing purposes.

By Vincent Bockaert @ dpreview.com >>>
 
Steve Jobs turns up on stage and admits that since his friend Jim gave him an Epic Tattoo to test out a few weeks ago that he has had so much fun that he has forgotten to turn up to work and has had to call in a 'sickie'.

Jag Sandhu

Red 666
 
Sanjin Jukic said:
Effective Number of Pixels

A distinction should be made between the number of pixels in a digital image and the number of sensor pixel measurements that were used to produce that image.
In conventional sensors, each pixel has one photodiode which corresponds with one pixel in the image.
A conventional sensor in for instance a 5 megapixel camera which outputs 2,560 x 1,920 images has an equal number of "effective" pixels, 4.9 million to be precise.
Additional pixels surrounding the effective area are used for demosaicing the edge pixels, to determine "what black is", etc. Sometimes not even all sensor pixels are used.
A classical example was Sony's DSC-F505V which effectively used only 2.6 megapixel (1,856 x 1,392) out of the 3.34 megapixel available on the sensor.
This was because Sony fitted the then new 3.34 sensor into the body of the previous model. As the sensor was slightly larger, the lens was not able to cover the whole sensor.

So the total number of pixels on the sensor is larger than the effective number of pixels used to create the output image.
Often this higher number is preferred to specify the resolution of the camera for marketing purposes.

By Vincent Bockaert @ dpreview.com >>>
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I understand that the total pixel count can, and generally does, exceed the image-area pixel count. But what you said was:

Sanjin Jukic said:
- SENSOR: 7 MEGAPIXEL MYSTERIUM-X™
- PIXEL ARRAY: 2560(h) x 1300 (v)
- MAX IMAGE AREA: 2240(h) x 1502(v)
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If the sensor is 7 MP, that is the total pixel count, namely, the product of the horizontal and vertical pixel counts of the pixel array, which you gave as 2,560 and 1,300, respectively. Their product -- 3,328,000 pixels -- is less than half of 7 MP. You quoted 2,240 x 1,502 as the effective pixel count of the image area. Oddly, the effective vertical count (1,520) exceeds the maximum vertical count of the array (1,300)!
 
Recode in distribution.

A team up with one or several major studios for VOD streamed / downloadable to Red Ray (Consumer version) (or possibly via Apple TV) synchronised with the release of 4K monitoring systems.

For those that forget the "Cinema" in this Camera companies name.....
 
Lawrence Bansbach said:
I understand that the total pixel count can, and generally does, exceed the image-area pixel count. But what you said was:


If the sensor is 7 MP, that is the total pixel count, namely, the product of the horizontal and vertical pixel counts of the pixel array, which you gave as 2,560 and 1,300, respectively. Their product -- 3,328,000 pixels -- is less than half of 7 MP. You quoted 2,240 x 1,502 as the effective pixel count of the image area. Oddly, the effective vertical count (1,520) exceeds the maximum vertical count of the array (1,300)!
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Let's leave to experts and engineers about that possible or appropriate pixel count for RED TWO.

Also surely I'm not one of them.

I'm just giving some of IDEA-ology (an ideology - think of it as a brain food).
 
If it's not a 3D camera (2 sensors, 2 adjustable lens mounts, one brain), then I'm going to guess a working prototype of the Epic 617 (28K) or 645 at 9K, and some way to show off that resolution.

What I'd love to see is a 4K monitoring or projection system that a small business can afford running at say, 4096x2560--and a redray home theater system to match!

Otherwise, the one area that could still use some democratizing is 4K finishing where an independent filmmaker could create their own digital cinema package ready for distribution.
 
Not directly...though your post about Jim being my uncle cracked me up. I'd rather him be my uncle so I could just be around him as he does business much more so than his money. Haha. Wisdom is more valuable than money. ;)

(I will be deleting this here in a few minutes to keep the place clean...)
 
Ditto to what Tim said. I hope the surprise is something we have no clue about, a true "one more thing"
 
X-RAY vision for people like me who can afford to build sets, but still want really wide indoor establishing shots... seem like the only thing RED hasnt come up with
 
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