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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Mysterium-X...

Steven Caesare said:
That made me simultaneously very happy as well as laugh out loud.

Thanks Jim.

-sc
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Dude im not even kidding, i did the EXACT same thing then clicked the next page button and read ur post. Holy shiznet im excited for my scarlet
 
Jannard said:
... less noise and increased dynamic range of M-X
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Does M-X also imply that the images appear sharper in a kind of natual way? I mean, not only the higher amount of pixels but also the finer differences in tones the sensor is able to detect affect the perceived sharpness.
 
800 iso is perfect; I was saving money to buy leica f1.4 lenses, but that would be useless now. My f2's are more than enough now, and the 1000's of euros that saves me I can spend on mysterium x!:emote_happyhappy:
 
Hi,

How is the performance in Tungsten light? Very important for some people.

Stephen
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

How is the performance in Tungsten light? Very important for some people.

Stephen
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Well, if it's 800ISO with daylight, then with and 80C filter, you'd be looking at 400ISO as your worst case. That's if the sensor were to be terrible in tungsten, which I highly doubt. 800ISO daylight means we don't have anything to worry about.
 
Tim Sutherland said:
Well, if it's 800ISO with daylight, then with and 80C filter, you'd be looking at 400ISO as your worst case. That's if the sensor were to be terrible in tungsten, which I highly doubt. 800ISO daylight means we don't have anything to worry about.
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Hi Tim,

Ideally without any filters, not a fan of unnecessary uncoated glass in front of the lens. Your speculating that an 80C will produce the best results, it may require more or less correction that that, I would rather not speculate.

Stephen
 
Stephen... people seems pretty happy with RED ONE tungsten after Build 20. M-X is significantly better still. M-X's "less noise" carries throughout the color temperature range. While daylight is still cleaner than tungsten, both are significantly improved.

Jim
 
This is all exciting news! What would be great would also be if this time around all the major NLEs (adobe, FCP, and Avid) support all the new cameras and new features and enhancement available to them such as new REDcode, new resolutions, new color theory, RED Rocket™ etc.... Will the RED team be working closely with those companies? It would be great to not be "locked" into a specific system....for example having to use a MAC for six months simply because the software has not yet been ported to a PC or vice versa......
 
Graeme Nattress said:
The only "native" sensor ISO is one where no processing is done - ie linear light. ISO is very low, headroom practically non-existant. So although native, it makes very little sense.

Every digital image is developed on a curve. That curve remaps the linear light data into something we can see as a reasonable image. Each and every curve would lead to a different value for ISO.

What RED does is recommend a ISO that we know works, gives great images without excessive intrusion of noise and with reasonably useful headroom. And that's probably the best a single number can do when faced with the complex exposure situations that the real world represents.

Graeme
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So then if I understand Jim correctly when he says 800 is the new 320 he means that at 800 ISO his camera has a similar amount of noise to 320 on Red One. Which means because he can expose the camera lower and have the same amount of detail in shadows he also is getting an extra 1 1/3 stop of headroom roughly and thus retaining more highlights.... which means I need to go buy a 1.8 ND Mirror ;)

Congrats guys, the 5DMKII is looking pretty lame today.

IBloom
 
I Bloom said:
So then if I understand Jim correctly when he says 800 is the new 320 he means that at 800 ISO his camera has a similar amount of noise to 320 on Red One. Which means because he can expose the camera lower and have the same amount of detail in shadows he also is getting an extra 1 1/3 stop of headroom roughly and thus retaining more highlights.... which means I need to go buy a 1.8 ND Mirror ;)

Congrats guys, the 5DMKII is looking pretty lame today.

IBloom
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If that is true, that will be a HUGE improvement, and very helpful for some of the Documentary work that I do! Thanks TEAM RED! I can't wait so see the images. :)
 
I Bloom said:
So then if I understand Jim correctly when he says 800 is the new 320 he means that at 800 ISO his camera has a similar amount of noise to 320 on Red One. Which means because he can expose the camera lower and have the same amount of detail in shadows he also is getting an extra 1 1/3 stop of headroom roughly and thus retaining more highlights.... which means I need to go buy a 1.8 ND Mirror ;)

Congrats guys, the 5DMKII is looking pretty lame today.

IBloom
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I agree this is how I understand it as well.
 
And, I believe, Jim is saying that 800 ISO, being the new
320, is the ideal point of departure for DR range,
but the "ideal" range has widened to give us more
ISO choices without taking the (less than ideal) hit in quality.
Which is a great boon to not only motion capture,
but to the Stills aspirations of the new cameras.
Higher frame rates or greater depth of field, and so on.
 
I Bloom said:
So then if I understand Jim correctly when he says 800 is the new 320 he means that at 800 ISO his camera has a similar amount of noise to 320 on Red One. Which means because he can expose the camera lower and have the same amount of detail in shadows he also is getting an extra 1 1/3 stop of headroom roughly and thus retaining more highlights.... which means I need to go buy a 1.8 ND Mirror ;)

IBloom
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Correct ( for the most part ) :)

I still like Jim's explanation best... but your adaptation is a good way to look at it. Personally, shooting high ISO's to protect for highlights historically has seemed backwards but when you combine the advantages of the new sensor and the power of REDCODE it definitely is a good way to protect those higher ranges if you properly process in post.
 
So we've picked up 1 1/3 additional stops of dynamic range?

Stephen
 
What was the original Mysterium-X specification? I can't remember, and the chart is down, but it did have some specification with respect to added dynamic range. I thought it was 1.5 stops, so, if that is true, they came in very close to what they originally said.

Stephen
 
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