Mysterium-X ISO ratings...

[Peter Majtan]

Jim, I think the beverage in the background is the explanation to why you never sleep... (That and the Red Bull)

You are forgetting the Cohiba on the right. I'm yet to see Jim without one...

Jim - this is truly fantastic. Like everyone else - really excited!
Congrats!!!

:devil: Peter

 

[Shai Schcolnik]

iso 500 also for stills?

iso 500 also for stills?

Will iso 500 be the top for still mode?
I sometimes find myself using NDs for my strobes on small sets even at iso 100.
I wonder how could iso 500 be used in situations like this. It seems a bit too much for me (never really needed more then 400 on my stills)

Shai

 

[Daniel Reichenbach]

Wow, looks amazing to me, can't wait to shoot stars in the swiss alps ;-)

 

[Michael McLaughlin]

specular

specular

man love those highlights and reflections off the cans; looks so nice.


And I love how they round off, more subtle...


but maybe it's me, but that's what my eyes
caught first.

 

[Pawel Achtel]

The new Mysterium-X sensor in EPIC S35 is pretty badass. Top is ISO 500 (super clean) and bottom is ISO 4000. The detail in the back curtain on the ISO 4000 is due to stopping down the aperture. I didn't have enough NDs.

Not sure about you guys, but this surely looks to me like a SCAM.

 

[Sean Rawls]

Wow. Tom mentioned it earlier, but with all the overcranking ability of the Epic this high ISO performance is going to be really useful.

Keep rolling!

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

I shot these with an upgraded RED ONE...

The M-X sensor is larger than the RED ONE sensor... I'm just shooting charts at 4K 2:1 because it is convenient, and I am scaling them down anyway. By shooting 4K I can more easily compare with stuff I have shot in the past on a RED ONE with original sensor. The new sensor in a RED ONE will "only" shoot 4.5K... as limited by the boards.


Jim

Absolutely fantastic.

Looking forward to upgrade my R1.

4.5K is enough resolution for me and with new "Dr. Kaufmann/Band Pro Mystery lightweight titanium Leica's" or "soon to be named" lovely lenses:

We made them special just for Sanjin.

They are cool. They are hot!

you'll get something like a Panavision Primo (spherical) image quality.

I can see a lot of Hollywood cinematographers will "switch" soon to shoot with RED1 and Epic...

 

[XiaoSu Han]

Am I the only one who doesn't like how the colors behave on the red lettering of the RED BULL can?

the reds look as if they were "bleeding"

maybe it's just the missing filter.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Am I the only one who doesn't like how the colors behave on the red lettering of the RED BULL can?

the reds look as if they were "bleeding"

maybe it's just the missing filter.

Xax,

read this:

Jims M-X-R1 camera that he used to take this shot does not have the new OLPF/IR filter installed in it yet... Both Epic and the R1 Sensor Upgrade program will share the same new OLPF filters that are better at blocking IR.

 

[Vico Martin]

All you need is Senns DaDaDaDadaa! Sens is all you need!

this is to push noise floor to the moon!

Congrats everybody at RED, count on my bodies to the upgrade program I wait anxious.

 

[Juhan Malmstein]

Wow this is incredible. I took the liberty to run some really quick and dirty noisereduction in noiseninja(what I use for stills) for the iso 4000 shot, and I'm completely amazed :drool:. Iso 4000 with some smart noisereduction is about as good as iso 800 on my few years old dslr :ihih:

edit: I just had noiseninja profile the noise and ran the deafult program without touching anything, I'm sure I could pull some more details from the carpet and such, but it's quick and dirty as I said and I'm drooling too much to try any better...

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

Holy #$@%!!!

Thank you so much Jim!

I can't wait to see full resolution 4.5k grabs of ~ISO1600 on a final upgraded R1!

Thank you Juhan. Now we have to see it moving. It seems the blacks would dance like crazy, but that is ISO4000 (!!!).

 

[Juhan Malmstein]

Let's not forget that the source I did the noise reduction from is a low-res compressed jpg and there isn't even any grading going on(i'd crush the blacks a bit). Working from r3d files at 5k or even 3k will give astonishing results.

Looks like the vdslr's are about to lose their only marginal trump, because this thread is telling me that the upgraded red one's and the new epic's and scarlets are about to mop the floor with canon's "low light abilities" :blush:

 

[Pierre T.]

Don't get me wrong, I'm convinced that Mysterium-X is a great sensor (and I would order the 2/3" fixed lens Scarlet today if it were possible), but I just don't like this kind of "test":

(1) Studio conditions are not real life: nobody needs iso4000 in studio conditions, but with the exception of sports slow motion work, where you need it, you are probably confronted with a warm l(tungsten) ight source and white balance means an extra boost to the blue channel. So don't think that the image would look as nice with "iso4000" in candle light.
(2) If your aim is a downscaled image, fine, but downscaling remains the basic noise reduction algorithm. A 4x downscaled image combines 16 original pixels into one and naturally reduces the noise level by 4 stops.

In summary, what you see in the test image is noisewise on pixel level is like iso1000 under studio conditions. I think that the image is actually quite good for that, just think people should rather keep on the ground now than being disappointed later.

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

Looks like the vdslr's are about to lose their only marginal trump, because this thread is telling me that the upgraded red one's and the new epic's and scarlets are about to mop the floor with canon's "low light abilities" :blush:

That was my initial reaction as well, and I still feel that way. But to be fair and a bit more objective I grabbed my 7D and shot a few photos on a magazine. It is very "well" exposed at ISO4000. I also downconverted it in Photoshop by 50% and attached the waveform. This magazine shot may not even be a decent example but I don't think we care that much about what the 7D may or may not be able to do, since we are talking about a RAW cinema camera here.

Also, Canon does noise reduction in-camera, so a fair comparison might be between your noise-reduced example vs. the raw image from the 7D.

If you did further noise reduction to the 7D then you should also try your hardest on Red, and use the full 4.5k RAW file.

7D - ISO4000 - 1080p

7D - ISO4000 - 1080p 50%

 

[Rainer Fritz]

the blacks on the mcbeth chart looks like to have magenta noise in it... ?

 

[Juhan Malmstein]

I wasn't actually refering to the stills capabilities: we all know that Nikon and Canon dslr's are both ridiculously good at high iso raw shooting. I was thinking more of the motion part: i'm not dissappointed if Epic and Scarlet can shoot equal quality stills and motion that have marginally worse high iso capabilities than the top of the line Nikon and Canon dslr's in raw stills mode.

Also - iso 4000 and 8000 aren't meant for high end studio work. Sensitivity that high is there for one reason: getting shots that would be impossible otherwise: in many situations getting the shot(be it noisy or not) can outweight the noisyness tenfold (eng, documentaries, tv work, event shooting).

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

That was my initial reaction as well, and I still feel that way. But to be fair and a bit more objective I grabbed my 7D and shot a few photos on a magazine. It is very "well" exposed at ISO4000. I also downconverted it in Photoshop by 50% and attached the waveform. This magazine shot may not even be a decent example but I don't think we care that much about what the 7D may or may not be able to do, since we are talking about a RAW cinema camera here.

Also, Canon does noise reduction in-camera, so a fair comparison might be between your noise-reduced example vs. the raw image from the 7D.

If you did further noise reduction to the 7D then you should also try your hardest on Red, and use the full 4.5k RAW file.

7D - ISO4000 - 1080p

7D - ISO4000 - 1080p 50%

Roberto,

have a look at my recent RED1 vs. 7D @ ISO 1600 test at Vimeo>>>

 

[Gunleik Groven]

I shot these with an upgraded RED ONE...

Jim

Nice

Fantastic is more like it...

 

[Notis Benos]

Roberto,

have a look at my recent RED1 vs. 7D @ ISO 1600 test at Vimeo>>>

I suppose no footage is grated. What 's the difference between No1 and No2?


To Jim and Red team: Great results, congratulations. If Lars von Trier and Thomas Vinterberg had this tool back at 95 their dogme would have made more sense.