my first 35mm print

[Jan Reiff]

today we saw our first - lowbugdet - commercial on the big screen.
it´s a small spot for a local radio station, for me it was a good test to see what´s the thing on 35mm output. we had bright areas, a more high key image, so what´s the deal: quality was really good. very good range in the white cloth, lots of details in the dark areas (hair). first it was "new" to see your clean 4K footage with grain and some dirt but sharpness and colors were perfect. noone were able to say it´s from a native film or from a digital stock.
workflow and set up:
shot in 4K 16:9 with 1:1,85 framing, red 18-50mm and one shot with 300mm. pre-edit in final cut with proxies, finished and graded with after effects, CGI ears in AE, output as 4K sequence tiff to the 35mm negative development. result as said perfect. now i am looking forward to shoot our full lenght movies this winter.

you can see this small trashy spot in small size on http://www.barvinyafilm.com/www.barvinyafilm.com/RADIO_OHR.html


or you come to the black forest and see it in the cinemas, hahaha.
it´s german language, but it´s about beauty clinic, big ears and a radio station called "radio ear", so i think no translation necessary.
here is a still of the spot.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Nice.

 

[Ege Eden]

how did the blow-up to 35 mm happened?
is the quality between the 4k and print visible?
and how much did it coast to print it?

 

[Jan Reiff]

in this case i would say a blow DOWN (4K to 2K Scan )

i did some prints from varicam and hvx200 before i got the red, but all this had this taste of video on the big screen. also HDcam stuff last year had some, especially in the wider shots, some videolook. if i remember the times of printing a beta to a 35mm, jesus...

resolution, colors, highlights - red is doing a great job for filmprint.

the costs were human, it´s an 30 second commercial and with 12 copies we are at approx. 1000 euro.

 

[Michael Thornton]

Congratulations,

Beautiful piece of work.

pre-edit in final cut with proxies, finished and graded with after effects, CGI ears in AE, output as 4K sequence tiff to the 35mm negative development.

How do you go from FCP to After Effects (CS3 or CS4)?
How did you get AE CS3(?) to read FCP EDL or XML?

There seem to be a missing step here.

Please give me some more detail on the work flow.

Tek

 

[Jan Reiff]

i admit, this is not a usual workflow... but it worked without any problems:

because we had only this few shots, i edit this in FCP with the proxies just to have the timing, then i did export this shots again from redcine as an 4K tiff sequence (no strong grading) with some more frames at start at end of each shot and re-edit it in AE (the FCP edit as an "overlay" quicktime in AE was just the reference) no EDL, just handmade work. not a workflow for lots of cuts indeed but in this case it was no big thing with only 7 or 8 shots.
finishing: i photographed an ear, and we tracked it to the head of the girl, added some hairs and i think it´s quite ok.
when we had the edit in 4K in AE we graded the stuff and export it again as sequence tiff. we export an quicktime from this sequence to have a clip for the audio edit (all was overdubbed).

but for the next project (with lots of more cuts) i will test crimson, edit in fcp, edl in redcine, output in tiff for AE or another tool.

 

[Emanuel A.]

Pretty clip. However, could you post a higher version, please? I ask it 'cause I like it.

Thanks,

E.

 

[Jan Reiff]

there is a version on

http://www.vimeo.com/2107200

but it is not really bigger, we didn´t produce a real HD version, because it went directly to cinema.
the quicktimes have more "clipping" as the final version on film i have to say.

if there´s interest, you can PM me for a link of a 1024x576 version.

thanks for your feedbacks so far.

 

[Stephen Williams]

there is a version on

http://www.vimeo.com/2107200

but it is not really bigger, we didn´t produce a real HD version, because it went directly to cinema.
the quicktimes have more "clipping" as the final version on film i have to say.

if there´s interest, you can PM me for a link of a 1024x576 version.

thanks for your feedbacks so far.

Hi,

Very good commercial, my only criticism is the skin tones.

Stephen

 

[Jan Reiff]

skin tones are better on the print / 4K footage. more details indeed.

the quicktime is quite pale indeed.